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There is not a mystery here; something has damaged the nervous system of this animals. Either a virus, a toxic or a brain/ear blunt trauma caused by an explosio

There is not a mystery here; something has damaged the nervous system of this animals. Either a virus, a toxic or a brain/ear blunt trauma caused by an explosion or a strong sonar. We have nerves also. <Insert Florida man joke here>. If they are interested in the origin, they should hire a marine biologist expert on fish pathology to study the problem before it travels up by the food chain. As there are very different types of animals affected and fishes can travel; my guess would be that the cause is not biological [1]. Some of this fishes are strictly carnivore, other are mostly vegetarian so both falling ill at the same time by a parasite or a disease is unlikely (But I'm just speculating, serious research was made for that). Do we know were the spent batteries of the spacial station landed? [1] (viruses are often host specific. The viruses that affect a cat will not affect normally a cow. Sharks and Sea breams are much more isolated genetically that cats and cows are).

1oooqooq 3y ago
Florida man would never vote in anyone who would spend tax money on frivolous things like a marine biologist
- soco 3y ago
  If the title was "Florida man dies mysteriously after spinning and whirling" it wold have made barely a blip on the internet radar, even less on HN.
- ineedaj0b 3y ago
  DeSantis for all his warts and crooked nose is actually pro-environment. He’s done some good for the Everglades and Florida ecosystems. The mentally ill of other states -who are no fun, don’t do meth, and frankly have zero personality- like to make everything black and white. There’s a boogyman! Oh no. We are the boogyman. We have fun
  - 1992spacemovie 3y ago
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- aaomidi 3y ago
  Florida spends a ton on environmental projects. Significantly more compared to other “blue” states.
  - arbitrary_name 3y ago
    Citatiom needed.
- DiggyJohnson 3y ago
  Floridians take their environment pretty seriously. Do you have any familiarity with this state whatsoever?
  - azemetre 3y ago
    Are you familiar with this state? Farmers literally dump agriculture runoff into the water ways with zero repercussions. What do you think red tide comes from? Do you think red tide season to be a natural phenomenon and not entirely man made? This state may have cared about the environment in the past but that has changed drastically over the last 8 years. The sugar industry has done an untold amount of environmental damage in FL.
    - doublepg23 3y ago
      I'm assuming the blue utopia of California doesn't have agricultural pressures either then?
      - azemetre 3y ago
        Nice whataboutism but as someone who lived in Florida for 30 years, still has familiar, and visits every year I think I'm familiar with the area I grew up in, started businesses in, and ultimately left.
    - DiggyJohnson 3y ago
      I'm a lifelong Florida democrat. Please don't assume I'm making stuff up just because you disagree with me.
      - azemetre 3y ago
        What is your point to your comment? Florida is absolutely not the same Florida as it was in 90s or early 2000s. The state has drastically changed for the worse. I lived there for 30 years, I'm intimately involved with the local political scene. My neighbors were game wardens and licensed arborists. It's been known that agriculture runoff worsens red tide. Red tide is something that would happen a couple times a century, now it happens yearly; this is absolutely due to the terrible environmental regulations in FL. These polluters have massive ties to the state legislature, which is why they are never punished: https://phys.org/news/2018-09-red-tide-natural-scientists-coastal.html https://phys.org/news/2018-09-red-tide-natural-scientists-co... What about the private sugar companies draining and polluting the Everglades? Why are they never fined appropriate amounts for ruining an important part of Florida's ecosystem? Or by environmental laws do you mean NIMBYs that just abuse the court system because someone saw a barred owl in a tree? I should know, my neighbor prevented an entire subdivision from being built in "their" backyard for 5 years. This is a state that is now hijacked by a political class that cares more about national ambitions than helping their citizens. Do you honestly think the current Florida legislature would have passed something like Bright Futures in todays climate? Florida use to heavily invest in education and environmentalism, even with republican governance, now it's just another national political campaign with politicians that care more about grander ambitions while rallying the national political party with identity politics? edit: so readers will be aware of how bad Florida has become, this state has voted for high speed rail since 2000 and when the money was about to be granted and secured by Obama and Crist. Then shortly after Rick Scott was elected he rejected the project and government grants because his party wanted to give a lost to Obama. Something the voters have wanted for over a decade, that was literally enshrined into the state constitution, and was torpedoed every instant because the party that didn't want it to happened wasn't happy with the democratic process. This state is also big on scamming but that can deserve its own large, and separate, thread
seszett 3y ago
> As there are very different types of animals affected and fishes can travel Maybe slightly worrying also is that it affects both bony fish and cartilaginous fish, which are indeed very different in that (to my understanding) bony fish are phylogenetically closer to humans than to cartilaginous fish. Which doesn't mean humans are necessarily vulnerable to the same problem, but there's no indication we shouldn't be affected as well (although our brains are probably better equipped to deal with internal ear or balance problems in general).
darth_avocado 3y ago
> There is not a mystery here > Either a virus, a toxic or a brain/ear blunt trauma caused by an explosion or a strong sonar. So, it is still a mystery.
EdwardDiego 3y ago
There's a diverse group of marine parasites, the myxozoans, that infect fish just by touching their gills or skin, so dietary preference alone wouldn't exclude them. Creepy little jellyfish cousins that evolved into parasites. And while the most well known ones are species specific (e.g., whirling disease in salmonids), they're more studied because they impacted aquaculture species, but we know of a fair few that can also infect multiple species. I'm wondering if there's been an environmental change in the water, like temperature or salinity or nutrient levels that has allowed parasites not previously found in the area to expand their range.

1oooqooq 3y ago

Florida man would never vote in anyone who would spend tax money on frivolous things like a marine biologist

soco 3y ago
If the title was "Florida man dies mysteriously after spinning and whirling" it wold have made barely a blip on the internet radar, even less on HN.
ineedaj0b 3y ago
DeSantis for all his warts and crooked nose is actually pro-environment. He’s done some good for the Everglades and Florida ecosystems. The mentally ill of other states -who are no fun, don’t do meth, and frankly have zero personality- like to make everything black and white. There’s a boogyman! Oh no. We are the boogyman. We have fun
- 1992spacemovie 3y ago
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aaomidi 3y ago
Florida spends a ton on environmental projects. Significantly more compared to other “blue” states.
- arbitrary_name 3y ago
  Citatiom needed.
DiggyJohnson 3y ago
Floridians take their environment pretty seriously. Do you have any familiarity with this state whatsoever?
- azemetre 3y ago
  Are you familiar with this state? Farmers literally dump agriculture runoff into the water ways with zero repercussions. What do you think red tide comes from? Do you think red tide season to be a natural phenomenon and not entirely man made? This state may have cared about the environment in the past but that has changed drastically over the last 8 years. The sugar industry has done an untold amount of environmental damage in FL.
  - doublepg23 3y ago
    I'm assuming the blue utopia of California doesn't have agricultural pressures either then?
    - azemetre 3y ago
      Nice whataboutism but as someone who lived in Florida for 30 years, still has familiar, and visits every year I think I'm familiar with the area I grew up in, started businesses in, and ultimately left.
  - DiggyJohnson 3y ago
    I'm a lifelong Florida democrat. Please don't assume I'm making stuff up just because you disagree with me.
    - azemetre 3y ago
      What is your point to your comment? Florida is absolutely not the same Florida as it was in 90s or early 2000s. The state has drastically changed for the worse. I lived there for 30 years, I'm intimately involved with the local political scene. My neighbors were game wardens and licensed arborists. It's been known that agriculture runoff worsens red tide. Red tide is something that would happen a couple times a century, now it happens yearly; this is absolutely due to the terrible environmental regulations in FL. These polluters have massive ties to the state legislature, which is why they are never punished: https://phys.org/news/2018-09-red-tide-natural-scientists-coastal.html https://phys.org/news/2018-09-red-tide-natural-scientists-co... What about the private sugar companies draining and polluting the Everglades? Why are they never fined appropriate amounts for ruining an important part of Florida's ecosystem? Or by environmental laws do you mean NIMBYs that just abuse the court system because someone saw a barred owl in a tree? I should know, my neighbor prevented an entire subdivision from being built in "their" backyard for 5 years. This is a state that is now hijacked by a political class that cares more about national ambitions than helping their citizens. Do you honestly think the current Florida legislature would have passed something like Bright Futures in todays climate? Florida use to heavily invest in education and environmentalism, even with republican governance, now it's just another national political campaign with politicians that care more about grander ambitions while rallying the national political party with identity politics? edit: so readers will be aware of how bad Florida has become, this state has voted for high speed rail since 2000 and when the money was about to be granted and secured by Obama and Crist. Then shortly after Rick Scott was elected he rejected the project and government grants because his party wanted to give a lost to Obama. Something the voters have wanted for over a decade, that was literally enshrined into the state constitution, and was torpedoed every instant because the party that didn't want it to happened wasn't happy with the democratic process. This state is also big on scamming but that can deserve its own large, and separate, thread

seszett 3y ago

> As there are very different types of animals affected and fishes can travel Maybe slightly worrying also is that it affects both bony fish and cartilaginous fish, which are indeed very different in that (to my understanding) bony fish are phylogenetically closer to humans than to cartilaginous fish. Which doesn't mean humans are necessarily vulnerable to the same problem, but there's no indication we shouldn't be affected as well (although our brains are probably better equipped to deal with internal ear or balance problems in general).

darth_avocado 3y ago

> There is not a mystery here > Either a virus, a toxic or a brain/ear blunt trauma caused by an explosion or a strong sonar. So, it is still a mystery.

EdwardDiego 3y ago

There's a diverse group of marine parasites, the myxozoans, that infect fish just by touching their gills or skin, so dietary preference alone wouldn't exclude them. Creepy little jellyfish cousins that evolved into parasites. And while the most well known ones are species specific (e.g., whirling disease in salmonids), they're more studied because they impacted aquaculture species, but we know of a fair few that can also infect multiple species. I'm wondering if there's been an environmental change in the water, like temperature or salinity or nutrient levels that has allowed parasites not previously found in the area to expand their range.