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And it’s plausible that a dark lightbulb is due to it being burnt out, but it’s not necessarily so. Perhaps the switch is off, or the breaker is thrown, or a mo

And it’s plausible that a dark lightbulb is due to it being burnt out, but it’s not necessarily so. Perhaps the switch is off, or the breaker is thrown, or a mouse has chewed through the wires. If we want to be accurate with our words, let’s not use claims that haven’t been proven outside of TikTok.

runarberg 3y ago
It will take years to prove the genocide under international law. In the meantime plausible genocide (or genocide for short) are the most accurate terms. It is the term international organizations and many government do indeed use, as do many media organizations. So should we. The Cambodian genocide was never proven to be a genocide under international law. It was proven under a special national tribunal in Cambodia to be one. But it failed to meet the strict criteria under international law. We still call it a genocide, and we should do so. The crimes of the Khmer Rouge were that of genocide and should be described as such. The same goes for the crimes of Israel.
- nolongerthere 3y ago
  This is a beyond simplistic view of how any of this works. The reason Khmer Rouge wasn't ruled to have committed a genocide is purely political. It had nothing to do with their actual actions and everything to do with who supported them and those interests being defended. Israel being accused of genocide is similarly a political ploy by those who hate Jews and the ruling of genocide is a foregone conclusion because it serves those who hate Jews (aka most of Europe, the ME, and Africa). You wishing for genocide doesn't make it so, instead of making baseless hate filled claims why not back them up with actual facts? Where's the intent? Where's the conduct? Promising to kill all of Hamas isn't genocide just like promising to kill all of the nazis wasn't genocide, just like promising to kill all of ISIS isn't genocide. If you take all the actual actions that Israel has taken as well as all the words spoken by the people actually in power, you don't have genocide, instead you have a war started by a genocidal death cult, and peace-loving people attempting to defend themselves while preserving as much life as possible, even as those very people make every attempt to kill more Jews.
  - davidf18 3y ago
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  - runarberg 3y ago
    The conduct Israel is employing in Gaza is indeed that of genocide. They are not purely targeting and killing active Hamas combatants, but their homes and families as well as infrastructure, schools, hospitals, residential neighborhoods etc. The Palestinian peoples living their lives in Gaza are the victims of this genocide and Hamas members are the collateral. The lives of Palestinians in Gaza has been made unbearable (criteria 2c of genocide convention). You claim this isn’t backed by facts. But you are wrong. There has been a case filed at the world court with 85 pages of evidence. The world court has ruled this evidence as relevant and incriminating. Since the case was filed more evidence has been piling up, which we can see in various media outlets, so much so that the world court issued an addendum to their ruling when it became apparent that Israel was using starvation of the Palestinian people as a weapon of war, and plausibly as a means towards genocide. Your claim that this is a political ploy be people who hate Jews is baseless and without merit. This is a desperate attempt of people actively trying prevent Palestinian people from being victims of genocide.
    - ilililolol 3y ago
      Israel are defending themselves, showing considerable restraint in difficult circumstances. The actions of Hamas are genocide as they were and are indiscriminately targeting and attacking Jewish people.
    - informed1277 3y ago
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    - nolongerthere 3y ago
      There is no such thing as a world court, please stop making things up. You continue to appeal to authority as if that proves everything. Nothing you've said in this entire discussion is based in reality. Not a word of it. Please consider simply actually looking at reality and not allowing false propaganda to sway your understanding. Calling something genocide doesn't make it so. Calling Hamas collateral damage is further proof of your totally warped world view.

runarberg 3y ago

It will take years to prove the genocide under international law. In the meantime plausible genocide (or genocide for short) are the most accurate terms. It is the term international organizations and many government do indeed use, as do many media organizations. So should we. The Cambodian genocide was never proven to be a genocide under international law. It was proven under a special national tribunal in Cambodia to be one. But it failed to meet the strict criteria under international law. We still call it a genocide, and we should do so. The crimes of the Khmer Rouge were that of genocide and should be described as such. The same goes for the crimes of Israel.

nolongerthere 3y ago
This is a beyond simplistic view of how any of this works. The reason Khmer Rouge wasn't ruled to have committed a genocide is purely political. It had nothing to do with their actual actions and everything to do with who supported them and those interests being defended. Israel being accused of genocide is similarly a political ploy by those who hate Jews and the ruling of genocide is a foregone conclusion because it serves those who hate Jews (aka most of Europe, the ME, and Africa). You wishing for genocide doesn't make it so, instead of making baseless hate filled claims why not back them up with actual facts? Where's the intent? Where's the conduct? Promising to kill all of Hamas isn't genocide just like promising to kill all of the nazis wasn't genocide, just like promising to kill all of ISIS isn't genocide. If you take all the actual actions that Israel has taken as well as all the words spoken by the people actually in power, you don't have genocide, instead you have a war started by a genocidal death cult, and peace-loving people attempting to defend themselves while preserving as much life as possible, even as those very people make every attempt to kill more Jews.
- davidf18 3y ago
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- runarberg 3y ago
  The conduct Israel is employing in Gaza is indeed that of genocide. They are not purely targeting and killing active Hamas combatants, but their homes and families as well as infrastructure, schools, hospitals, residential neighborhoods etc. The Palestinian peoples living their lives in Gaza are the victims of this genocide and Hamas members are the collateral. The lives of Palestinians in Gaza has been made unbearable (criteria 2c of genocide convention). You claim this isn’t backed by facts. But you are wrong. There has been a case filed at the world court with 85 pages of evidence. The world court has ruled this evidence as relevant and incriminating. Since the case was filed more evidence has been piling up, which we can see in various media outlets, so much so that the world court issued an addendum to their ruling when it became apparent that Israel was using starvation of the Palestinian people as a weapon of war, and plausibly as a means towards genocide. Your claim that this is a political ploy be people who hate Jews is baseless and without merit. This is a desperate attempt of people actively trying prevent Palestinian people from being victims of genocide.
  - ilililolol 3y ago
    Israel are defending themselves, showing considerable restraint in difficult circumstances. The actions of Hamas are genocide as they were and are indiscriminately targeting and attacking Jewish people.
  - informed1277 3y ago
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  - nolongerthere 3y ago
    There is no such thing as a world court, please stop making things up. You continue to appeal to authority as if that proves everything. Nothing you've said in this entire discussion is based in reality. Not a word of it. Please consider simply actually looking at reality and not allowing false propaganda to sway your understanding. Calling something genocide doesn't make it so. Calling Hamas collateral damage is further proof of your totally warped world view.