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Yeah, well frankly most EDM fucking sucks and that's pretty much why. Your average cool guy "producer" doesn't know the first thing about intervals, counterpoin

by mp05 2y ago

Yeah, well frankly most EDM fucking sucks and that's pretty much why. Your average cool guy "producer" doesn't know the first thing about intervals, counterpoint, or even basics like triads or major/minor scales. But they sure can twist knobs in a way that makes neat sounds!

silver_silver 2y ago
Judging a piece based on its technical merit or the artist’s education is extremely limited and pretentious. There’s a tremendous amount of beautiful music made on laptops by people who have no formal training or knowledge of theory. Not everything full of synthesisers and samples is “EDM”.
- mp05 2y ago
  > Not everything full of synthesisers and samples is “EDM”. I didn't assert this.
irjustin 2y ago
> Yeah, well frankly most EDM fucking sucks and that's pretty much why. Your average cool guy "producer" doesn't know the first thing about intervals, counterpoint, or even basics like triads or major/minor scales. But they sure can twist knobs in a way that makes neat sounds! That's a pretty harsh objective take for a highly subjective topic. A lot of people like it - myself included. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not valid.
- mp05 2y ago
  I didn't say I didn't like some EDM. Some is made by very talented people.
  - sonicanatidae 2y ago
    At least they have more talent than I've seen in a lot of the newer rap artists, who apparently can't leave home without an auto-tune box handy. EDM at least has to be considered, and likely, no matter how crap it is, someone put some sort of effort into it. Speaking into a pitch bender takes nothing but breath, and I'm stuck listening to this garbage in traffic every day.
    - tiptup300 2y ago
      That's not true either. Look at something like Carlie XCX - Pop 2, the autotune is doing interesting things. I'm sure it's not just the technology of it, but also the technique. Also moving back to one of the most well known autotune users T-Pain is a great singer without the technology. It's obvious there's more to it then just auto-aim function. Some people use it that way, but it doesn't mean the technology is fundamentally limited to that scope.
callalex 2y ago
First of all, who cares? But that aside, this take reeks of sampling bias. Every amateur with a laptop uploads their music to SoundCloud/Youtube/whatever even while they are still learning. You probably don’t have much exposure to the crappy piano fugues and poorly orchestrated droning sonatas that are written by early university students. Trust me there’s a lot of that as well. Everyone starts somewhere after all.

by mp05 2y ago

silver_silver 2y ago

Judging a piece based on its technical merit or the artist’s education is extremely limited and pretentious. There’s a tremendous amount of beautiful music made on laptops by people who have no formal training or knowledge of theory. Not everything full of synthesisers and samples is “EDM”.

mp05 2y ago
> Not everything full of synthesisers and samples is “EDM”. I didn't assert this.

irjustin 2y ago

> Yeah, well frankly most EDM fucking sucks and that's pretty much why. Your average cool guy "producer" doesn't know the first thing about intervals, counterpoint, or even basics like triads or major/minor scales. But they sure can twist knobs in a way that makes neat sounds! That's a pretty harsh objective take for a highly subjective topic. A lot of people like it - myself included. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not valid.

mp05 2y ago
I didn't say I didn't like some EDM. Some is made by very talented people.
- sonicanatidae 2y ago
  At least they have more talent than I've seen in a lot of the newer rap artists, who apparently can't leave home without an auto-tune box handy. EDM at least has to be considered, and likely, no matter how crap it is, someone put some sort of effort into it. Speaking into a pitch bender takes nothing but breath, and I'm stuck listening to this garbage in traffic every day.
  - tiptup300 2y ago
    That's not true either. Look at something like Carlie XCX - Pop 2, the autotune is doing interesting things. I'm sure it's not just the technology of it, but also the technique. Also moving back to one of the most well known autotune users T-Pain is a great singer without the technology. It's obvious there's more to it then just auto-aim function. Some people use it that way, but it doesn't mean the technology is fundamentally limited to that scope.

callalex 2y ago

First of all, who cares? But that aside, this take reeks of sampling bias. Every amateur with a laptop uploads their music to SoundCloud/Youtube/whatever even while they are still learning. You probably don’t have much exposure to the crappy piano fugues and poorly orchestrated droning sonatas that are written by early university students. Trust me there’s a lot of that as well. Everyone starts somewhere after all.