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It is proportionate, IMO. Palestine fired thousands of missiles at Israel after the Oct 7. Just because Israel is able to block most of them doesn't make it ok

It is proportionate, IMO. Palestine fired thousands of missiles at Israel after the Oct 7. Just because Israel is able to block most of them doesn't make it okay. Those missiles still count. At worst, this is debatable but the protesters at google think that they are absolutely correct with no debate needed. I think they all should be fired, and their names should definitely be disclosed.

yterdy 2y ago
Your opinion is incorrect and concerning in its confidence. Oct. 7th has been characterized as Israel's 9/11 (with, frankly, fewer deaths). Meanwhile, Israel has perpetrated a 9/11 roughly every 2.5 weeks for the past 6 months in Gaza. The difference in Hamas versus the IDF's allowance of accessibility to basic needs is also stark. In essence, a terrorist attack is not proportional to a siege.
- me_me_me 2y ago
  only if hamas had access to billions of dollars to develop infrastructure and build up emergency shelters...
  - lodrion 2y ago
    You mean miles of tunnels that just dug themselves?
- ergocoder 2y ago
  We can agree to disagree. Israel definitely did not perpetrate 9/11 every other week. Did Israel parade corpses around town like how Palestinians did it? Nope. Did Israel kill 3000 Palestinians every 2 weeks? Nope. Did Israel kidnap babies? Nope. The difference is obvious. Yet you pretend not to see it.
  - HDThoreaun 2y ago
    Israel did initiate a starvation campaign though
  - Thiez 2y ago
    I guess you must have missed the news about the Israeli soldier stealing a baby https://www.palestinechronicle.com/israeli-soldier-kidnaps-palestinian-baby-from-gaza-strip-reports/ https://www.palestinechronicle.com/israeli-soldier-kidnaps-p... .
  - yterdy 2y ago
    No, we cannot agree to disagree. 3 of your 4 statements are verifiably false. Notably, 33000 dead over 6 months is roughly a 9/11 every 2.5 weeks (if you're going to say, "I said 2 weeks," I said 2.5 weeks). You are wrong. You should ask yourself why you cling so hard to that. It is your duty as a human being to recognize and denounce the genocide that is taking place.
    - ergocoder 2y ago
      Palestine has been offered ceasefire, two state solution, and etc. They have refused to take it. They fired thousands of missiles at Israel. Their army hide under hospital and schools. You declare "verifiably" and "we must recognize genocide" when it is not. It's a war. Then, after you declare a genocide, you follow with "it's your duty!" You are looking to harass anyone who disagrees with you. People can't even be neutral on the topic and recognize it's debatable. There's no discourse to be had. This is why people like this should be fired from a workplace.
      - runarberg 2y ago
        Hamas has been in support of all ceasefire resolution to date, Hamas has attended every truce talk to date. Israel, however has been in opposition to every ceasefire resolution to date, and has boycotted or walked away from most truce talks. It is true that Palestine has rejected a two-state solution in the past, however those deals contained what many considered a poison pill for Palestinians, it is disputed among international experts whether those deals were indeed acceptable for Palestinians. Meanwhile Israel has worked hard in making any future two-state solutions impossible. They fired thousands of missiles at Israel, however Israel has killed thousands of Palestinians. If you take issue with Palestinians you must have an order of magnitude greater issue with Israel. Your parent is far from the only person to declare genocide. Many countries and international organizations have done so. The world highest court has ruled it is plausible that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza. Genocide is the highest crime there is. You should do everything in your power to stop it. In 1993 Steven Spielberg released a very popular movie based on a true story about a factory owner in Germany who took issue with the fact that his government was using his products to commit genocide. Instead of simply following orders, he tried to save as many people as possible by hiring potential victims and making sure his products were faulty and unusable for the state doing the genocide. The protagonist in this movie was a hero. Most people in Germany however simply went to work and did what they were told. Millions of people died in that genocide. Let’s not repeat history.
- mupuff1234 2y ago
  I think categorizing it as a "terror attack" does some injustice to the scale of things - we are talking about thousands participating in the Oct 7th attack, basically the Palestinian "army". Not that I think Israel's reaction was wise, but that's a different story.
  - yterdy 2y ago
    I actually tend to agree. Characterizing it as a terrorist attack was a mea culpa; it is absolutely better categorized as a counterattck/insurgency against an occupying force.

yterdy 2y ago

Your opinion is incorrect and concerning in its confidence. Oct. 7th has been characterized as Israel's 9/11 (with, frankly, fewer deaths). Meanwhile, Israel has perpetrated a 9/11 roughly every 2.5 weeks for the past 6 months in Gaza. The difference in Hamas versus the IDF's allowance of accessibility to basic needs is also stark. In essence, a terrorist attack is not proportional to a siege.

me_me_me 2y ago
only if hamas had access to billions of dollars to develop infrastructure and build up emergency shelters...
- lodrion 2y ago
  You mean miles of tunnels that just dug themselves?
ergocoder 2y ago
We can agree to disagree. Israel definitely did not perpetrate 9/11 every other week. Did Israel parade corpses around town like how Palestinians did it? Nope. Did Israel kill 3000 Palestinians every 2 weeks? Nope. Did Israel kidnap babies? Nope. The difference is obvious. Yet you pretend not to see it.
- HDThoreaun 2y ago
  Israel did initiate a starvation campaign though
- Thiez 2y ago
  I guess you must have missed the news about the Israeli soldier stealing a baby https://www.palestinechronicle.com/israeli-soldier-kidnaps-palestinian-baby-from-gaza-strip-reports/ https://www.palestinechronicle.com/israeli-soldier-kidnaps-p... .
- yterdy 2y ago
  No, we cannot agree to disagree. 3 of your 4 statements are verifiably false. Notably, 33000 dead over 6 months is roughly a 9/11 every 2.5 weeks (if you're going to say, "I said 2 weeks," I said 2.5 weeks). You are wrong. You should ask yourself why you cling so hard to that. It is your duty as a human being to recognize and denounce the genocide that is taking place.
  - ergocoder 2y ago
    Palestine has been offered ceasefire, two state solution, and etc. They have refused to take it. They fired thousands of missiles at Israel. Their army hide under hospital and schools. You declare "verifiably" and "we must recognize genocide" when it is not. It's a war. Then, after you declare a genocide, you follow with "it's your duty!" You are looking to harass anyone who disagrees with you. People can't even be neutral on the topic and recognize it's debatable. There's no discourse to be had. This is why people like this should be fired from a workplace.
    - runarberg 2y ago
      Hamas has been in support of all ceasefire resolution to date, Hamas has attended every truce talk to date. Israel, however has been in opposition to every ceasefire resolution to date, and has boycotted or walked away from most truce talks. It is true that Palestine has rejected a two-state solution in the past, however those deals contained what many considered a poison pill for Palestinians, it is disputed among international experts whether those deals were indeed acceptable for Palestinians. Meanwhile Israel has worked hard in making any future two-state solutions impossible. They fired thousands of missiles at Israel, however Israel has killed thousands of Palestinians. If you take issue with Palestinians you must have an order of magnitude greater issue with Israel. Your parent is far from the only person to declare genocide. Many countries and international organizations have done so. The world highest court has ruled it is plausible that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza. Genocide is the highest crime there is. You should do everything in your power to stop it. In 1993 Steven Spielberg released a very popular movie based on a true story about a factory owner in Germany who took issue with the fact that his government was using his products to commit genocide. Instead of simply following orders, he tried to save as many people as possible by hiring potential victims and making sure his products were faulty and unusable for the state doing the genocide. The protagonist in this movie was a hero. Most people in Germany however simply went to work and did what they were told. Millions of people died in that genocide. Let’s not repeat history.
mupuff1234 2y ago
I think categorizing it as a "terror attack" does some injustice to the scale of things - we are talking about thousands participating in the Oct 7th attack, basically the Palestinian "army". Not that I think Israel's reaction was wise, but that's a different story.
- yterdy 2y ago
  I actually tend to agree. Characterizing it as a terrorist attack was a mea culpa; it is absolutely better categorized as a counterattck/insurgency against an occupying force.