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What tech companies do you allege have/had "minority" quotas to fill?

ec109685 3y ago
Google goes to great lengths to increase diversity: https://about.google/belonging/diversity-annual-report/2021/hiring/ https://about.google/belonging/diversity-annual-report/2021/...
- davely 3y ago
  Not that you’re arguing for or against, but I thought I’d drop an interesting link to a 2020 McKinsey and Co study that shows more diverse companies generally outperform their peers. [1] Is there any wonder that Google and other (not exclusive to tech) companies desire this? [1] https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/diversity-and-inclusion/diversity-wins-how-inclusion-matters https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/diversity-and-inc...
  - LunaSea 3y ago
    Is that the same McKinsey that helped start opioid epidemic?
  - londons_explore 3y ago
    This is also self-fulling. Investors that see this invest into more diverse companies, who in turn do better because they get more investment. Write a convincing report saying "Companies with a Z in the name do better", and you'd see the same result.
- srockets 3y ago
  There's quite a chasm between trying (and failing, but I digress) to increase diversity of the workforce and those imaginary quotas.
anonymoushn 3y ago
Thoughtworks wrote in an email to me that they were only considering non-male candidates because of their quotas. The idea, I suppose, is that I should be willing to change my gender if I'm really interested in joining.
- beej71 3y ago
  Is that legal?
  - cool_dude85 3y ago
    At least in the US, if this person received such an email they would be able to sue the company that sent it quite easily.
    - anonymoushn 3y ago
      I spoke to a bunch of lawyers who all told me they hoped I found some lawyer who would do that. The EEOC decided that if a manager directs their reports (engineers) to advertise a position, then people apply to the position as directed by emailing the engineers, then the engineers say some stuff about gender quotas, that's fine, because the applicant didn't fill out some other form and the company disavows this recruitment process to the EEOC while using it to source candidates.
- skywhopper 3y ago
  If they had quotas, they were made up internally. But more likely they were just lying to you, or the person who sent the email was twisting the truth. I don't think anyone but you thought of the "maybe you should change gender" bit. They just didn't want to hire you, personally.
londons_explore 3y ago
Plenty of recruitment teams get given targets. Just one 1 memo saying "hires that don't bring the company towards our diversity goals won't count for your metrics"... (I have worked with 2 such recruitment teams).

Google goes to great lengths to increase diversity: https://about.google/belonging/diversity-annual-report/2021/hiring/ https://about.google/belonging/diversity-annual-report/2021/...

davely 3y ago
Not that you’re arguing for or against, but I thought I’d drop an interesting link to a 2020 McKinsey and Co study that shows more diverse companies generally outperform their peers. [1] Is there any wonder that Google and other (not exclusive to tech) companies desire this? [1] https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/diversity-and-inclusion/diversity-wins-how-inclusion-matters https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/diversity-and-inc...
- LunaSea 3y ago
  Is that the same McKinsey that helped start opioid epidemic?
- londons_explore 3y ago
  This is also self-fulling. Investors that see this invest into more diverse companies, who in turn do better because they get more investment. Write a convincing report saying "Companies with a Z in the name do better", and you'd see the same result.
srockets 3y ago
There's quite a chasm between trying (and failing, but I digress) to increase diversity of the workforce and those imaginary quotas.

anonymoushn 3y ago

Thoughtworks wrote in an email to me that they were only considering non-male candidates because of their quotas. The idea, I suppose, is that I should be willing to change my gender if I'm really interested in joining.

beej71 3y ago
Is that legal?
- cool_dude85 3y ago
  At least in the US, if this person received such an email they would be able to sue the company that sent it quite easily.
  - anonymoushn 3y ago
    I spoke to a bunch of lawyers who all told me they hoped I found some lawyer who would do that. The EEOC decided that if a manager directs their reports (engineers) to advertise a position, then people apply to the position as directed by emailing the engineers, then the engineers say some stuff about gender quotas, that's fine, because the applicant didn't fill out some other form and the company disavows this recruitment process to the EEOC while using it to source candidates.
skywhopper 3y ago
If they had quotas, they were made up internally. But more likely they were just lying to you, or the person who sent the email was twisting the truth. I don't think anyone but you thought of the "maybe you should change gender" bit. They just didn't want to hire you, personally.

londons_explore 3y ago

Plenty of recruitment teams get given targets. Just one 1 memo saying "hires that don't bring the company towards our diversity goals won't count for your metrics"... (I have worked with 2 such recruitment teams).