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>Not only should they not have brought their political opinions up at work Hard disagree. Not saying for a fact that I personally would have the balls to defac

>Not only should they not have brought their political opinions up at work Hard disagree. Not saying for a fact that I personally would have the balls to defacto give up my high paying job over it, but I won't pretend that that isn't a pathetic point of view when it is a genocide in progress that is being fought over here. At least have the wherewithal to recognize their courage and value as human beings when remarking over it pseudoanonymously on the internet, no?

nolongerthere 2y ago
Calling this war a genocide, removes all meaning from the word. If this war in which 14,000 enemy combatants have been killed out of 32,000 total casualties (and 2.1million population) then you could literally call any battle or war a genocide. Heck, by this measure, the cartels are genociding the US (>100k deaths annually from drug ODs). Cars are genociding everyone (>40k deaths in the US alone). Words have meaning and taking a word with an existing meaning and attempting to use that meaning for your own emotional argument doesn’t do you any good. It just makes people ignore you.
- runarberg 2y ago
  This is an off topic tangent that gets brought up way to often in these discussion. We have a pretty clear definition under international law what constitutes a genocide. It has nothing to do with numbers or proportion but rather intent and conduct, for example the Bosnian genocide was ruled as such because of the killing of 8372 victims, while the Cambodian genocide failed to meet the criteria despite 2-3 million dead. Many international organizations and governments—including the world highest court—has stated that it is plausible that Israel is committing a genocide. This is not an emotional argument, but rather a legal argument made at the highest court as well as by experts in the field. If we want to be accurate with our words, we should indeed use the word genocide in this context.
  - robertoandred 2y ago
    And it’s plausible that a dark lightbulb is due to it being burnt out, but it’s not necessarily so. Perhaps the switch is off, or the breaker is thrown, or a mouse has chewed through the wires. If we want to be accurate with our words, let’s not use claims that haven’t been proven outside of TikTok.
    - runarberg 2y ago
      It will take years to prove the genocide under international law. In the meantime plausible genocide (or genocide for short) are the most accurate terms. It is the term international organizations and many government do indeed use, as do many media organizations. So should we. The Cambodian genocide was never proven to be a genocide under international law. It was proven under a special national tribunal in Cambodia to be one. But it failed to meet the strict criteria under international law. We still call it a genocide, and we should do so. The crimes of the Khmer Rouge were that of genocide and should be described as such. The same goes for the crimes of Israel.
      - nolongerthere 2y ago
        This is a beyond simplistic view of how any of this works. The reason Khmer Rouge wasn't ruled to have committed a genocide is purely political. It had nothing to do with their actual actions and everything to do with who supported them and those interests being defended. Israel being accused of genocide is similarly a political ploy by those who hate Jews and the ruling of genocide is a foregone conclusion because it serves those who hate Jews (aka most of Europe, the ME, and Africa). You wishing for genocide doesn't make it so, instead of making baseless hate filled claims why not back them up with actual facts? Where's the intent? Where's the conduct? Promising to kill all of Hamas isn't genocide just like promising to kill all of the nazis wasn't genocide, just like promising to kill all of ISIS isn't genocide. If you take all the actual actions that Israel has taken as well as all the words spoken by the people actually in power, you don't have genocide, instead you have a war started by a genocidal death cult, and peace-loving people attempting to defend themselves while preserving as much life as possible, even as those very people make every attempt to kill more Jews.
  - nolongerthere 2y ago
    Even more so, genocide makes no sense in this context, again, Israel is capable of killing many more people than it has, not only is it capable of doing so, it could likely justify those attacks to the US and it’s allies in the short term, instead it uses very different means to attempt to kill only those who pose a direct current threat. In that context it’s pretty clear there is neither intent nor conduct. All the Jew hating European judges in the world doesn’t change that. Pretending the UN is some higher unbiased authority is intensely naive. The UN has shown time and again that it holds Jews and Israel to an impossible standard and the many nations that make up the UN show little regard for fairness or justice, instead they are most focused on being able to commit as many atrocities at home while pointing the fingers at those dirty Jews. In fact this ridiculous case was only brought by the SA government as a cynical ploy to redirect attention from their own failing economy and dire political outlook. As with all things involving Jews the conspiracy is always on the other side. Additionally, the UN gets many things totally wrong for many political reasons, e.g. it’s been totally toothless wrt the Russian/Ukraine war, it’s failed to even acknowledge china’s many well documented atrocities, so appealing to its authority as “the highest court in the world” makes it clear you’re either entirely ignorant or intentionally malicious.
    - philistine 2y ago
      People can treat Jews differently. The UN can be flawed as an institution. Nations can be severely hypocrites when it comes to internal matters. All of these can be true while at the same time the Israeli system of governance can be deemed akin to a genocide.
      - nolongerthere 2y ago
        Lol, anything can be true… doesn’t mean it actually is tho, it could be true we’re living on the sun… especially if we totally redefine the meaning of “living”, “true”, and “sun”. Your comment didn’t add anything at all. I pointed out, the people making these claims have a bunch of ulterior motives that are totally at odds with them coming to a honest conclusion and you agreed and then baselessly made another claim that genocide could be happening without any further evidence.
  - me_me_me 2y ago
    well in that case, the israelis would be doing a terrible job as gaza in terms of pop growth is exploding (no pun intended). Their population pyramids IS a pyramid. There are definetely war crimes - you cannot avoid it, especially when both sides are mortal enemies for generations and palestines tactics dont shy away from using civilians, fighting in civilian clothes etc. Its a perfect environment for hate crimes.
    - runarberg 2y ago
      This is not how any genocide in history has unfolded. States usually don’t just all of a sudden use any means necessary kill every person belonging to a group (the Rwandan genocide may be the exception here). Even the holocaust didn’t start with Nazis killing every Jew on sight, but rather escalated starting with apartheid and slowly escalating over a decade to industrialized killing. There usually isn’t a coherent plan to conduct a genocide with the most efficient means available, but rather incitement, dehumanization, escalation and reaction. Israel is conducting a genocide but they are being careful while doing so. They could, in theory, drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza, but doing so would certainly loose them any sympathy. Their current conduct of slowly escalating, systemic killing and preventing aid has not cost them the support of the American government. Most likely they aim to keep it that way. That said, a “perfect environment for hate crimes” does not excuse a genocide, nor other crimes for that matter. If it did we could excuse Hamas’ conduct on Oct 7 as well. Hate crimes ought to be prevented or prosecuted regardless of the environment they were committed in. This is why it is important to call Israel’s crimes what they are, a genocide.
      - nolongerthere 2y ago
        The nazis literally did kill many jews on sight, what are you talking about? You've been bleating about a genocide for 75 years and yet over those 75 the population you claim is being destroy has had absolutely explosive growth. You have no idea what genocide means, and continuing to claim that is slanderous and disrespectful!
        runarberg 2y ago
- megous 2y ago
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- megous 2y ago
  . You've discredited your argument the moment you started comapring premedidated state action by Israel to car accidents.
raxxorraxor 2y ago
There is no genocide in progress and at work I would be severely disturbed if coworkers are subjected to severe misjudgments.

nolongerthere 2y ago

Calling this war a genocide, removes all meaning from the word. If this war in which 14,000 enemy combatants have been killed out of 32,000 total casualties (and 2.1million population) then you could literally call any battle or war a genocide. Heck, by this measure, the cartels are genociding the US (>100k deaths annually from drug ODs). Cars are genociding everyone (>40k deaths in the US alone). Words have meaning and taking a word with an existing meaning and attempting to use that meaning for your own emotional argument doesn’t do you any good. It just makes people ignore you.

runarberg 2y ago
This is an off topic tangent that gets brought up way to often in these discussion. We have a pretty clear definition under international law what constitutes a genocide. It has nothing to do with numbers or proportion but rather intent and conduct, for example the Bosnian genocide was ruled as such because of the killing of 8372 victims, while the Cambodian genocide failed to meet the criteria despite 2-3 million dead. Many international organizations and governments—including the world highest court—has stated that it is plausible that Israel is committing a genocide. This is not an emotional argument, but rather a legal argument made at the highest court as well as by experts in the field. If we want to be accurate with our words, we should indeed use the word genocide in this context.
- robertoandred 2y ago
  And it’s plausible that a dark lightbulb is due to it being burnt out, but it’s not necessarily so. Perhaps the switch is off, or the breaker is thrown, or a mouse has chewed through the wires. If we want to be accurate with our words, let’s not use claims that haven’t been proven outside of TikTok.
  - runarberg 2y ago
    It will take years to prove the genocide under international law. In the meantime plausible genocide (or genocide for short) are the most accurate terms. It is the term international organizations and many government do indeed use, as do many media organizations. So should we. The Cambodian genocide was never proven to be a genocide under international law. It was proven under a special national tribunal in Cambodia to be one. But it failed to meet the strict criteria under international law. We still call it a genocide, and we should do so. The crimes of the Khmer Rouge were that of genocide and should be described as such. The same goes for the crimes of Israel.
    - nolongerthere 2y ago
      This is a beyond simplistic view of how any of this works. The reason Khmer Rouge wasn't ruled to have committed a genocide is purely political. It had nothing to do with their actual actions and everything to do with who supported them and those interests being defended. Israel being accused of genocide is similarly a political ploy by those who hate Jews and the ruling of genocide is a foregone conclusion because it serves those who hate Jews (aka most of Europe, the ME, and Africa). You wishing for genocide doesn't make it so, instead of making baseless hate filled claims why not back them up with actual facts? Where's the intent? Where's the conduct? Promising to kill all of Hamas isn't genocide just like promising to kill all of the nazis wasn't genocide, just like promising to kill all of ISIS isn't genocide. If you take all the actual actions that Israel has taken as well as all the words spoken by the people actually in power, you don't have genocide, instead you have a war started by a genocidal death cult, and peace-loving people attempting to defend themselves while preserving as much life as possible, even as those very people make every attempt to kill more Jews.
- nolongerthere 2y ago
  Even more so, genocide makes no sense in this context, again, Israel is capable of killing many more people than it has, not only is it capable of doing so, it could likely justify those attacks to the US and it’s allies in the short term, instead it uses very different means to attempt to kill only those who pose a direct current threat. In that context it’s pretty clear there is neither intent nor conduct. All the Jew hating European judges in the world doesn’t change that. Pretending the UN is some higher unbiased authority is intensely naive. The UN has shown time and again that it holds Jews and Israel to an impossible standard and the many nations that make up the UN show little regard for fairness or justice, instead they are most focused on being able to commit as many atrocities at home while pointing the fingers at those dirty Jews. In fact this ridiculous case was only brought by the SA government as a cynical ploy to redirect attention from their own failing economy and dire political outlook. As with all things involving Jews the conspiracy is always on the other side. Additionally, the UN gets many things totally wrong for many political reasons, e.g. it’s been totally toothless wrt the Russian/Ukraine war, it’s failed to even acknowledge china’s many well documented atrocities, so appealing to its authority as “the highest court in the world” makes it clear you’re either entirely ignorant or intentionally malicious.
  - philistine 2y ago
    People can treat Jews differently. The UN can be flawed as an institution. Nations can be severely hypocrites when it comes to internal matters. All of these can be true while at the same time the Israeli system of governance can be deemed akin to a genocide.
    - nolongerthere 2y ago
      Lol, anything can be true… doesn’t mean it actually is tho, it could be true we’re living on the sun… especially if we totally redefine the meaning of “living”, “true”, and “sun”. Your comment didn’t add anything at all. I pointed out, the people making these claims have a bunch of ulterior motives that are totally at odds with them coming to a honest conclusion and you agreed and then baselessly made another claim that genocide could be happening without any further evidence.
- me_me_me 2y ago
  well in that case, the israelis would be doing a terrible job as gaza in terms of pop growth is exploding (no pun intended). Their population pyramids IS a pyramid. There are definetely war crimes - you cannot avoid it, especially when both sides are mortal enemies for generations and palestines tactics dont shy away from using civilians, fighting in civilian clothes etc. Its a perfect environment for hate crimes.
  - runarberg 2y ago
    This is not how any genocide in history has unfolded. States usually don’t just all of a sudden use any means necessary kill every person belonging to a group (the Rwandan genocide may be the exception here). Even the holocaust didn’t start with Nazis killing every Jew on sight, but rather escalated starting with apartheid and slowly escalating over a decade to industrialized killing. There usually isn’t a coherent plan to conduct a genocide with the most efficient means available, but rather incitement, dehumanization, escalation and reaction. Israel is conducting a genocide but they are being careful while doing so. They could, in theory, drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza, but doing so would certainly loose them any sympathy. Their current conduct of slowly escalating, systemic killing and preventing aid has not cost them the support of the American government. Most likely they aim to keep it that way. That said, a “perfect environment for hate crimes” does not excuse a genocide, nor other crimes for that matter. If it did we could excuse Hamas’ conduct on Oct 7 as well. Hate crimes ought to be prevented or prosecuted regardless of the environment they were committed in. This is why it is important to call Israel’s crimes what they are, a genocide.
    - nolongerthere 2y ago
      The nazis literally did kill many jews on sight, what are you talking about? You've been bleating about a genocide for 75 years and yet over those 75 the population you claim is being destroy has had absolutely explosive growth. You have no idea what genocide means, and continuing to claim that is slanderous and disrespectful!
      - runarberg 2y ago
megous 2y ago
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megous 2y ago
. You've discredited your argument the moment you started comapring premedidated state action by Israel to car accidents.

raxxorraxor 2y ago

There is no genocide in progress and at work I would be severely disturbed if coworkers are subjected to severe misjudgments.