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Realistically, how badly does it harm your career when this shows up under your name and you are looking for another tech job? What's the play? Pivot to working

Realistically, how badly does it harm your career when this shows up under your name and you are looking for another tech job? What's the play? Pivot to working in a more activist/NGO style job?

Ahmd72 2y ago
Depends on the employer, question is do you want to work for someone as a mindless robot as they give you a paycheck or for someone that actually takes personal responsibility when things go wrong. At the end of the day most businesses would choose money
- dmix 2y ago
  Most companies aren't looking to hire adults who think they are still in college and think doing a sit-in in the deans office is important use of their time and an effective tactic. Let alone people getting arrested for trespassing. Some hiring managers might like their tweets and show support in their personal time but when it comes down to actually hiring them they'll wonder if this person will be disruptive and constantly bring their personal activist life into the workplace, making other employees lives difficult, lack self control and say the wrong thing to customers, etc.
  - whamlastxmas 2y ago
    You can belittle them but they literally made national headlines with their actions
    - Ahmd72 2y ago
      Surprisingly we are well aware about Whatsapp groups which surfaced few months ago where executives and other high position holders of tech companies targeted tech works who were just posting on their personal regarding this. Why didn't something like that make national headlines and pushed from more accountability? Easy to point finger at employees when employers have the upper hand
    - 1024core 2y ago
      You can make "national headlines" by doing stupid shit too. Just go out and shoot a bunch of people. Boom! National headlines.
  - anal_reactor 2y ago
    It's no secret that companies prefer mindless robots. It's just easier to organize them when they don't have their own opinions. > they'll wonder if this person will be disruptive and constantly bring their personal activist life into the workplace Corporations very often take stance on political issues, also when interacting with their own employees. For example all the pride events, which Google is known for. So it's not like these employees started bringing politics to the office, but rather they dared to have their own opinion that the system didn't like.
    - true_religion 2y ago
      Well yes it’s true at work the only politics you can espouse are those the company generally agrees with. If you went to Google campuses and protested gay marriage rights then you probably would be fired too.
    - me_me_me 2y ago
      Nobody cares until you start making nuisance to everyone around you, impeding their work and life because you care about X. I dont care about X why do I have to deal with your 'protest'?
    - Aunche 2y ago
      People who just want to live their their best lives aren't "mindless robots". One could also characterize a "mindless robot" as someone who is willing to sacrifice themselves for a cause that they see in black and white. If the protesters camped in an execs office for pride and refused to leave, they'd likely also get arrested. It's just that there wouldn't be such a protest in the first place.
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iandanforth 2y ago
Not at all? Some employers think highly of people with principles.
- raxxorraxor 2y ago
  The "principles" on this topic can diverge though depending on position.
WatchDog 2y ago
I doubt it hurts very much. Are the names of these people even public? I don't think that many companies really do the kind of due diligence for IC positions that would discover someones involvement in a stunt like this, beyond maybe a couple of employee provided reference checks. Besides, there are plenty of ideologically sympathetic hiring managers in the industry.
- t3rmi 2y ago
  These people gave an interview thats on YouTube now with their real names.
iowemoretohim 2y ago
Of course it will impact their careers. If there were no consequences then this exercise would prove to be meaningless.
KidComputer 2y ago
As a hiring manager, I personally wouldn't hire any of them.
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  Not a hiring manager, but I wouldn't either. You want to have a position on Israel vs. Palestine? That's fine; I think most of us do. You want to advocate for your position? Go for it. You want to advocate for your position at work, in a way that disrupts work for others? No. Hard pass. I'm running a business, not a platform for your soapbox. And if you did it at your previous place, you're likely to do it at mine.
  - arcastroe 2y ago
    I don't think I would hire them either, for the same reasons you listed. But I like to play devil's advocate, so here's a different take. These employees succeeded in identifying the best way to raise awareness, achieving large media coverage and reaching a wider audience than if they had protested outside the workplace. They stuck to their values, even though it meant sacrificing their (I'm assuming) generous compensation. I think there's some merit to that which would translate to success in other parts of your business, if you were to hire them. </End devil's advocate>
    - ryandrake 2y ago
      I'd like to push back on "raising awareness." At this point is anyone in the country not "aware" that there's a war going on? Did anyone wake up today, read the news, and say, "Gosh, I had no idea this was an important issue! Incredible!" More importantly, did this action have even the slightest effect of changing any country's policy or affect the war in any way? It doesn't seem like anything positive, or even material was accomplished here--besides those employees getting fired. EDIT: Huh--I guess I'm wrong then. I thought this was more well-known than it was.
      - DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
sershe 2y ago
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muzani 2y ago
I put my opinions on the conflict right on LinkedIn. I'd much rather filter out employers like Google and Meta. There's a million ways to make money, I'd pick the one that doesn't put any blood on my hands. Some people require more courage to move than others; we all have different environments. I'm just glad I'm not in the US and not neck deep in such a mess. We've been wondering if we should just use Chinese tech, but their hands are clean either. I guess we'll make our own one day.

Realistically, how badly does it harm your career when this shows up under your name and you are looking for another tech job? What's the play? Pivot to working in a more activist/NGO style job?

Ahmd72 2y ago

Depends on the employer, question is do you want to work for someone as a mindless robot as they give you a paycheck or for someone that actually takes personal responsibility when things go wrong. At the end of the day most businesses would choose money

dmix 2y ago
Most companies aren't looking to hire adults who think they are still in college and think doing a sit-in in the deans office is important use of their time and an effective tactic. Let alone people getting arrested for trespassing. Some hiring managers might like their tweets and show support in their personal time but when it comes down to actually hiring them they'll wonder if this person will be disruptive and constantly bring their personal activist life into the workplace, making other employees lives difficult, lack self control and say the wrong thing to customers, etc.
- whamlastxmas 2y ago
  You can belittle them but they literally made national headlines with their actions
  - Ahmd72 2y ago
    Surprisingly we are well aware about Whatsapp groups which surfaced few months ago where executives and other high position holders of tech companies targeted tech works who were just posting on their personal regarding this. Why didn't something like that make national headlines and pushed from more accountability? Easy to point finger at employees when employers have the upper hand
  - 1024core 2y ago
    You can make "national headlines" by doing stupid shit too. Just go out and shoot a bunch of people. Boom! National headlines.
- anal_reactor 2y ago
  It's no secret that companies prefer mindless robots. It's just easier to organize them when they don't have their own opinions. > they'll wonder if this person will be disruptive and constantly bring their personal activist life into the workplace Corporations very often take stance on political issues, also when interacting with their own employees. For example all the pride events, which Google is known for. So it's not like these employees started bringing politics to the office, but rather they dared to have their own opinion that the system didn't like.
  - true_religion 2y ago
    Well yes it’s true at work the only politics you can espouse are those the company generally agrees with. If you went to Google campuses and protested gay marriage rights then you probably would be fired too.
  - me_me_me 2y ago
    Nobody cares until you start making nuisance to everyone around you, impeding their work and life because you care about X. I dont care about X why do I have to deal with your 'protest'?
  - Aunche 2y ago
    People who just want to live their their best lives aren't "mindless robots". One could also characterize a "mindless robot" as someone who is willing to sacrifice themselves for a cause that they see in black and white. If the protesters camped in an execs office for pride and refused to leave, they'd likely also get arrested. It's just that there wouldn't be such a protest in the first place.
- deleted 2y ago
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iandanforth 2y ago

Not at all? Some employers think highly of people with principles.

raxxorraxor 2y ago
The "principles" on this topic can diverge though depending on position.

WatchDog 2y ago

I doubt it hurts very much. Are the names of these people even public? I don't think that many companies really do the kind of due diligence for IC positions that would discover someones involvement in a stunt like this, beyond maybe a couple of employee provided reference checks. Besides, there are plenty of ideologically sympathetic hiring managers in the industry.

t3rmi 2y ago
These people gave an interview thats on YouTube now with their real names.

iowemoretohim 2y ago

Of course it will impact their careers. If there were no consequences then this exercise would prove to be meaningless.

KidComputer 2y ago

As a hiring manager, I personally wouldn't hire any of them.

AnimalMuppet 2y ago
Not a hiring manager, but I wouldn't either. You want to have a position on Israel vs. Palestine? That's fine; I think most of us do. You want to advocate for your position? Go for it. You want to advocate for your position at work, in a way that disrupts work for others? No. Hard pass. I'm running a business, not a platform for your soapbox. And if you did it at your previous place, you're likely to do it at mine.
- arcastroe 2y ago
  I don't think I would hire them either, for the same reasons you listed. But I like to play devil's advocate, so here's a different take. These employees succeeded in identifying the best way to raise awareness, achieving large media coverage and reaching a wider audience than if they had protested outside the workplace. They stuck to their values, even though it meant sacrificing their (I'm assuming) generous compensation. I think there's some merit to that which would translate to success in other parts of your business, if you were to hire them. </End devil's advocate>
  - ryandrake 2y ago
    I'd like to push back on "raising awareness." At this point is anyone in the country not "aware" that there's a war going on? Did anyone wake up today, read the news, and say, "Gosh, I had no idea this was an important issue! Incredible!" More importantly, did this action have even the slightest effect of changing any country's policy or affect the war in any way? It doesn't seem like anything positive, or even material was accomplished here--besides those employees getting fired. EDIT: Huh--I guess I'm wrong then. I thought this was more well-known than it was.
    - DiogenesKynikos 2y ago

sershe 2y ago

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muzani 2y ago

I put my opinions on the conflict right on LinkedIn. I'd much rather filter out employers like Google and Meta. There's a million ways to make money, I'd pick the one that doesn't put any blood on my hands. Some people require more courage to move than others; we all have different environments. I'm just glad I'm not in the US and not neck deep in such a mess. We've been wondering if we should just use Chinese tech, but their hands are clean either. I guess we'll make our own one day.