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There was a time about 5 years ago where tech companies were desperate to fill various minority quotas. The idea was those people were very valuable, there we
by londons_explore 3y ago
There was a time about 5 years ago where tech companies were desperate to fill various minority quotas. The idea was those people were very valuable, there were very few applicants who were hotly contested by other tech companies, and lack of skills wouldn't matter - they'd learn on the job.
In that world, the school only has to get the students to do a "hello world" in python and apply for the right jobs. Such a school is very cheap to run, and very lucrative as long as a decent proportion of students fit into the desirable categories.
The students themselves usually aren't aware how desirable their application is - and therefore believe the school is their route in rather than a few youtube tutorials and a direct application.
- cool_dude85 3y agoWhat tech companies do you allege have/had "minority" quotas to fill?
- ec109685 3y agoGoogle goes to great lengths to increase diversity: https://about.google/belonging/diversity-annual-report/2021/hiring/ https://about.google/belonging/diversity-annual-report/2021/...
- davely 3y agoNot that you’re arguing for or against, but I thought I’d drop an interesting link to a 2020 McKinsey and Co study that shows more diverse companies generally outperform their peers. [1] Is there any wonder that Google and other (not exclusive to tech) companies desire this? [1] https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/diversity-and-inclusion/diversity-wins-how-inclusion-matters https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/diversity-and-inc...
- LunaSea 3y agoIs that the same McKinsey that helped start opioid epidemic?
- londons_explore 3y agoThis is also self-fulling. Investors that see this invest into more diverse companies, who in turn do better because they get more investment. Write a convincing report saying "Companies with a Z in the name do better", and you'd see the same result.
- srockets 3y agoThere's quite a chasm between trying (and failing, but I digress) to increase diversity of the workforce and those imaginary quotas.
- anonymoushn 3y agoThoughtworks wrote in an email to me that they were only considering non-male candidates because of their quotas. The idea, I suppose, is that I should be willing to change my gender if I'm really interested in joining.
- beej71 3y agoIs that legal?
- cool_dude85 3y agoAt least in the US, if this person received such an email they would be able to sue the company that sent it quite easily.
- anonymoushn 3y agoI spoke to a bunch of lawyers who all told me they hoped I found some lawyer who would do that. The EEOC decided that if a manager directs their reports (engineers) to advertise a position, then people apply to the position as directed by emailing the engineers, then the engineers say some stuff about gender quotas, that's fine, because the applicant didn't fill out some other form and the company disavows this recruitment process to the EEOC while using it to source candidates.
- skywhopper 3y agoIf they had quotas, they were made up internally. But more likely they were just lying to you, or the person who sent the email was twisting the truth. I don't think anyone but you thought of the "maybe you should change gender" bit. They just didn't want to hire you, personally.
- londons_explore 3y agoPlenty of recruitment teams get given targets. Just one 1 memo saying "hires that don't bring the company towards our diversity goals won't count for your metrics"... (I have worked with 2 such recruitment teams).