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Strong disagree. Unlike you, they stuck their necks out for something they believe in, in defense of people who are utterly powerless. As to doubts about whet

Strong disagree. Unlike you, they stuck their necks out for something they believe in, in defense of people who are utterly powerless. As to doubts about whether such tactics are effective or not - as a basic point of history, this is exactly how the divestment movement against South African apartheid got its legs in the early 1980s. Of course the exact same complaints were made at the time ("They're just whining, it's all about self-promotion", etc). Invariably by people who were, themselves, doing nothing at all.

belter 3y ago
> in defense of people who are utterly powerless. You are talking about the hostages?
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- racional 3y ago
  Being as their government has long since written these people off, and blatantly so (so it can go full tilt on its expansionist fantasies in the occupied territories instead) -- you're right, the hostages are unfortunately quite powerless as well.
JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> they stuck their necks out for something they believe in Walking into a remote volcano to protest climate change is brave. It’s also stupid and ineffective. This protest took all the downsides of bridge blocking and robbed it of its one advantage: visibility. The sole direct witness of their outburst was one leader. Instead of leveraging their wealth, technical ability, connections and location in Silicon Valley, they took a tactic used by those with nothing more than their bodies and deployed it incompetently. Resigning en masse, holding a press conference with a sympathetic lawmaker or activist, and offering their technical skills (I presume they have technical skills) to a Palestinian non-profit would have been vastly more impactful. This was, at best, a selfish search for absolution. At worst, it was an attention-seeking outburst.
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  Idk, it might have more visibility and less aggravation for the average man. Visibility is in the news and social platforms, not cars seeing your sign
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > Visibility is in the news and social platforms, not cars seeing your sign Every person in those cars who shares a photo amplifies your message. That translates into media, including social media, prominence. There are other ways to get that prominence. This, where the aftermath is sitting in jail, it doesn’t appear they maintained even a single confederate to do press and promo, is not finding purchase.
    - s1artibartfast 3y ago
      I think most of the cars are irrelevant, with photos of a bumper in front of them, and the commuter posts aren't in large enough numbers for organic social propagation. These things, as I understand them, are highly choreographed, with photographers and calls to media outlets. The protesters dont even point their signs at the cars.[1] [2] Commuters stuck in cars are simply a hook for the traditional and social media to run with. A story about a CEO office can be a similar hook, perhaps moreso when there was a story about traffic blockage a day or two before. https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-francisco/protest-golden-gate-bridge/3510362/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-francisco/protest-... https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/protesters-block-880-oakland-19403632.php https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/protesters-block-880-...
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        Can you point to the media or social media impact of this protest? I asked a handful of Googlers I know if they'd heard about it. They hadn't. The only reason this crossed my radar is HN. I will not remember it tomorrow. (Granted, I don't remember what the last lot who blocked a bridge in New York or San Francisco were angling for. But I remember what they were doing yesterday. Because it came up in mulitple news feeds and again in conversations, because it came up in multiple news feeds with my friends.)
paxys 3y ago
So if Google ignores their demands (which is a certainty), do you think all these employees who so strongly believe in their cause will quit their jobs and stop supporting the corporate machine or just forget about it and continue to enjoy their paychecks and RSU vests?
- SavageBeast 3y ago
  That is the question isn't it. My bet is those unvested RSUs will speak louder than any "conviction" they may be suffering from.
SavageBeast 3y ago
They're not powerless when they're bombing Israel's civilian citizens in an undeclared war. They didn't look powerless gunning down civilians at a music festival either. Further they didn't seem excessively powerless when they were parading around the corpses of freshly killed civilians who were without question minding their own business. I don't recall them being powerless when they turned down a peace deal either. To my untrained eye they kinda seem a lot like terrorists and murderers.
- racional 3y ago
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- enterprise_cog 3y ago
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belter 3y ago

> in defense of people who are utterly powerless. You are talking about the hostages?

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racional 3y ago
Being as their government has long since written these people off, and blatantly so (so it can go full tilt on its expansionist fantasies in the occupied territories instead) -- you're right, the hostages are unfortunately quite powerless as well.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> they stuck their necks out for something they believe in Walking into a remote volcano to protest climate change is brave. It’s also stupid and ineffective. This protest took all the downsides of bridge blocking and robbed it of its one advantage: visibility. The sole direct witness of their outburst was one leader. Instead of leveraging their wealth, technical ability, connections and location in Silicon Valley, they took a tactic used by those with nothing more than their bodies and deployed it incompetently. Resigning en masse, holding a press conference with a sympathetic lawmaker or activist, and offering their technical skills (I presume they have technical skills) to a Palestinian non-profit would have been vastly more impactful. This was, at best, a selfish search for absolution. At worst, it was an attention-seeking outburst.

s1artibartfast 3y ago
Idk, it might have more visibility and less aggravation for the average man. Visibility is in the news and social platforms, not cars seeing your sign
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > Visibility is in the news and social platforms, not cars seeing your sign Every person in those cars who shares a photo amplifies your message. That translates into media, including social media, prominence. There are other ways to get that prominence. This, where the aftermath is sitting in jail, it doesn’t appear they maintained even a single confederate to do press and promo, is not finding purchase.
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    I think most of the cars are irrelevant, with photos of a bumper in front of them, and the commuter posts aren't in large enough numbers for organic social propagation. These things, as I understand them, are highly choreographed, with photographers and calls to media outlets. The protesters dont even point their signs at the cars.[1] [2] Commuters stuck in cars are simply a hook for the traditional and social media to run with. A story about a CEO office can be a similar hook, perhaps moreso when there was a story about traffic blockage a day or two before. https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-francisco/protest-golden-gate-bridge/3510362/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-francisco/protest-... https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/protesters-block-880-oakland-19403632.php https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/protesters-block-880-...
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      Can you point to the media or social media impact of this protest? I asked a handful of Googlers I know if they'd heard about it. They hadn't. The only reason this crossed my radar is HN. I will not remember it tomorrow. (Granted, I don't remember what the last lot who blocked a bridge in New York or San Francisco were angling for. But I remember what they were doing yesterday. Because it came up in mulitple news feeds and again in conversations, because it came up in multiple news feeds with my friends.)

paxys 3y ago

So if Google ignores their demands (which is a certainty), do you think all these employees who so strongly believe in their cause will quit their jobs and stop supporting the corporate machine or just forget about it and continue to enjoy their paychecks and RSU vests?

SavageBeast 3y ago
That is the question isn't it. My bet is those unvested RSUs will speak louder than any "conviction" they may be suffering from.

SavageBeast 3y ago

They're not powerless when they're bombing Israel's civilian citizens in an undeclared war. They didn't look powerless gunning down civilians at a music festival either. Further they didn't seem excessively powerless when they were parading around the corpses of freshly killed civilians who were without question minding their own business. I don't recall them being powerless when they turned down a peace deal either. To my untrained eye they kinda seem a lot like terrorists and murderers.

racional 3y ago
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enterprise_cog 3y ago
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