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That true, but this ends up being a game of whack-a-mole, and even a few thousand dollars is too much for a lot of victims. Recently there was an attempt to mou

That true, but this ends up being a game of whack-a-mole, and even a few thousand dollars is too much for a lot of victims. Recently there was an attempt to mount a class action lawsuit, which would have settled things for everyone in one fell swoop, and it was rejected due to the arbitration clause.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> even a few thousand dollars is too much for a lot of victims Someone angling to go into coding should be able to do the research to draft an arbitration claim on their own. In most cases that isn’t a fair assumption to make, but given the cohort, they should be able to collaborate on a draft. The gating part isn’t doing the work. It’s knowing you have the option to.
- sandofsky 2y ago
  Do you think they should have listed “draft an arbitration claim,” on their enrollment prerequisites?
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Do you think they should have listed “draft an arbitration claim,” on their enrollment prerequisites? Unless you’re a total numpty, you can learn online how to draft an arb claim. And even if you are a numpty, you should be be to find—in a half-decent cohort—someone who can do this. The issue is rarely ability. It’s learned helplessness in the face of the legal system. The anxiety, not ability, is the limiting factor.
    - sandofsky 2y ago
      The company targeted the poor, single mothers, reformed convicts, and other disadvantaged groups. They tend to lack the free time or guidance to navigate these situations. If this work is trivial to you, I am happy to connect you with them to provide your services.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > If this work is trivial to you, I am happy to connect you with them to provide your services It is. I won't because this isn't something I care deeply about. The question is whether they would have been better off without arbitration, and the answer is no.
        sandofsky 2y ago
        In January, a class action lawsuit was rejected by a judge due to the arbitration agreement in the contracts. The whole reason class action suits exist is to save thousands of people from having wage individual fights. If it had gone through, the victims could have done nothing and woken up one day to an email saying, "Your debts are clear." I honestly can't think of a clearer example of arbitration agreements screwing people over.
        eadler 2y ago
        The problem is never arbitration. The problem is mandatory pre-dispute arbitration agreements which have, after considerable research, shown to be a negative for consumers. If it were really better you could always select arbitration as a part of the ADR process during during a standard Civil suit. This is also an area I care deeply about. And have read north of 2000 pages of cases, analysis, and position papers on the topic. I also have a list of about 90 more documents to read. Slow but steady progress.
    - lazyasciiart 2y ago
      And fuck people with anxiety, right?

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> even a few thousand dollars is too much for a lot of victims Someone angling to go into coding should be able to do the research to draft an arbitration claim on their own. In most cases that isn’t a fair assumption to make, but given the cohort, they should be able to collaborate on a draft. The gating part isn’t doing the work. It’s knowing you have the option to.

sandofsky 2y ago
Do you think they should have listed “draft an arbitration claim,” on their enrollment prerequisites?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Do you think they should have listed “draft an arbitration claim,” on their enrollment prerequisites? Unless you’re a total numpty, you can learn online how to draft an arb claim. And even if you are a numpty, you should be be to find—in a half-decent cohort—someone who can do this. The issue is rarely ability. It’s learned helplessness in the face of the legal system. The anxiety, not ability, is the limiting factor.
  - sandofsky 2y ago
    The company targeted the poor, single mothers, reformed convicts, and other disadvantaged groups. They tend to lack the free time or guidance to navigate these situations. If this work is trivial to you, I am happy to connect you with them to provide your services.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > If this work is trivial to you, I am happy to connect you with them to provide your services It is. I won't because this isn't something I care deeply about. The question is whether they would have been better off without arbitration, and the answer is no.
      - sandofsky 2y ago
        In January, a class action lawsuit was rejected by a judge due to the arbitration agreement in the contracts. The whole reason class action suits exist is to save thousands of people from having wage individual fights. If it had gone through, the victims could have done nothing and woken up one day to an email saying, "Your debts are clear." I honestly can't think of a clearer example of arbitration agreements screwing people over.
      - eadler 2y ago
        The problem is never arbitration. The problem is mandatory pre-dispute arbitration agreements which have, after considerable research, shown to be a negative for consumers. If it were really better you could always select arbitration as a part of the ADR process during during a standard Civil suit. This is also an area I care deeply about. And have read north of 2000 pages of cases, analysis, and position papers on the topic. I also have a list of about 90 more documents to read. Slow but steady progress.
  - lazyasciiart 2y ago
    And fuck people with anxiety, right?