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> Translate that into heroine or cocaine consumption and only after that we can compare the results. Is that even possible under prohibition? So much of how su

> Translate that into heroine or cocaine consumption and only after that we can compare the results. Is that even possible under prohibition? So much of how substances are used is cultural. If cocaine was truly legal, maybe they would sell it in doses that were equivalent to a cup of coffee. > There's a reason why selling alcohol is much easier. Because it's so culturally ingrained? Because it's too easy to make to really illegalize it? Because it's a huge money maker, which is more important than societal good? > You can't get hooked on alcohol by drinking it milligrams at time, like opioids. Not miligrams of liquid, but you're counting the filler. > If you were buying the substance on the streets at the black market, it would cost you pennies. There was alcohol prohibition in america. This did not turn out to be the case. You're arguing based on gut, not science or history. The fact is, there's no evidence that legalizing drugs leads to reefer madness or cocaine madness or whatever. Would more people try coke if it was legal? Maybe. Maybe some people try it now because it's illegal and that adds to the sex appeal.

peoplefromibiza 3y ago
> Is that even possible under prohibition? You forget about research. We already tried that, in a lab, under strict supervision and we concluded that: heroine is much worse for your health than alcohol. > If cocaine was truly legal you forget that cocaine was legal. there's a reason why it isn't anymore. we know its effects. > Because it's so culturally ingrained? it's not. we have rediscovered alcohol many times throughout history, animals get drunk too. it's more than culture. You're making it sound like we've just invented alcohol and we don't know what makes it different from cocaine or opioids... > to really illegalize it? Yeah, ask China what happened when the the west flooded their country with opium.. Why do you think they are called "Opium Wars"? Also remember: not all drugs are equal. As I've said: marijuana? of course we should legalize it, it's not worse than alcohol in any way, I would actually say it's much safer. I'm also in favour of decriminalization and damage control, but heroine is absolutely much more dangerous than alcohol. end of story. > Not miligrams of liquid, but you're counting the filler. I don't know if you're being serious or not, but there are actually around 14 GRAMS of alcohol in a glass of wine. It takes 1,400 vicodin pills to make 14 grams of hydrocodone, assuming you're taking the highest dosage pills (10mg). It's a lethal dose. OTOH if you drink 5 glasses of wine you will most probably survive to tell your incredible story about what millions of people in many countries do every saturday night. And the next saturday you're not hooked and need to increase the dosage to keep experiencing the same effects for the same amount of time. It won't wear off exponentially faster with exponentially worse side effects. > This did not turn out to be the case. because alcohol was the only drug in town back then. if you were a drug dealer now, would you prefer to make a few bucks by selling liters of illegal alcohol or thousands by selling opioids? which one is easier to transport and hide, and also provides the best ROI by weight and volume?

peoplefromibiza 3y ago

> Is that even possible under prohibition? You forget about research. We already tried that, in a lab, under strict supervision and we concluded that: heroine is much worse for your health than alcohol. > If cocaine was truly legal you forget that cocaine was legal. there's a reason why it isn't anymore. we know its effects. > Because it's so culturally ingrained? it's not. we have rediscovered alcohol many times throughout history, animals get drunk too. it's more than culture. You're making it sound like we've just invented alcohol and we don't know what makes it different from cocaine or opioids... > to really illegalize it? Yeah, ask China what happened when the the west flooded their country with opium.. Why do you think they are called "Opium Wars"? Also remember: not all drugs are equal. As I've said: marijuana? of course we should legalize it, it's not worse than alcohol in any way, I would actually say it's much safer. I'm also in favour of decriminalization and damage control, but heroine is absolutely much more dangerous than alcohol. end of story. > Not miligrams of liquid, but you're counting the filler. I don't know if you're being serious or not, but there are actually around 14 GRAMS of alcohol in a glass of wine. It takes 1,400 vicodin pills to make 14 grams of hydrocodone, assuming you're taking the highest dosage pills (10mg). It's a lethal dose. OTOH if you drink 5 glasses of wine you will most probably survive to tell your incredible story about what millions of people in many countries do every saturday night. And the next saturday you're not hooked and need to increase the dosage to keep experiencing the same effects for the same amount of time. It won't wear off exponentially faster with exponentially worse side effects. > This did not turn out to be the case. because alcohol was the only drug in town back then. if you were a drug dealer now, would you prefer to make a few bucks by selling liters of illegal alcohol or thousands by selling opioids? which one is easier to transport and hide, and also provides the best ROI by weight and volume?