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> Well you tell me my fingers aren't straight and aligning a number pad to straight lines is worse than skewed. Yes, I also told you it's not a relevant factor

by eviks 3y ago

> Well you tell me my fingers aren't straight and aligning a number pad to straight lines is worse than skewed. Yes, I also told you it's not a relevant factor for the phone (do you hold 3 fingers of different length on your screen touchpad? Skewed parallel to the screen so that rearranging buttons would fit it better??), yet you ignored it. Apples and oranges > In my personal experiences it's worse. I've had laptops that had it, and it never felt good. Which laptop allows using uio as 123 when in a numeric input field? > it was only on that one laptop, not my keyboard at school or work, not the keyboard at a friend's house, not the keyboard on my desktop, etc. Ok, so you didn't know how to do some simple keyboard remapping. How is this relevant for this conversation about an additional web input form option? > definitely commit this pattern to muscle memory for the randomsite I encounter supporting this. You don't need to commit anything, your memory can remain as blank as it is now with only some vague memory of something similar from your past, it would still work. Similarly, if it works in just 1% of input forms, it would still be an improvement... in 1% of cases. Where did you get and idea that universal adoption is a prerequisite from? Phone numpad-like mode doesn't work everywhere, still useful when it does

vel0city 3y ago
> Ok, so you didn't know how to do some simple keyboard remapping This topic is about website input forms, what OS configuration do you need to visit a website? Dang you're being highly inconsistent here. Should this just be an input on a website or an OS level keyboard remap? You're being quite rude to assume I don't know how to remap keys. I know how, I just don't care keeping a keyboard map on me all the time and remapping everyone's keyboard just because I'd like to type numbers not using the number row. I'd rather just have the muscle memory of being fast with the number row. > Which laptop allows using uio as 123 when in a numeric input field? Not uio as 123, but that's not really emulating a computer number pad anyways as a computer number pad has 789 along the top. So not only is it skewed you're wanting it flipped from how normal keyboard numberpads are. FWIW it was a line of Dell Inspiron laptops in the late 90s and a Compaq laptop in the mid 2000s that had a number pad on the keyboard, however it usually reused the 789 along the top. It wasn't a massively uncommon feature back then, but it definitely wasn't on every laptop. Mostly on business focused machines from my experience. You're being incredibly hostile to me just saying I used that kind input before and personally didn't care much for it. I'm just sharing my personal experiences using that input you're suggesting for a couple of decades on and off. An input style that clearly wasn't popular enough to continue carrying forward on modern laptops despite being somewhat common decades ago.
- eviks 3y ago
  > Should this just be an input on a website or an OS level keyboard remap? Up to you, I didn't bring all this irrelevant personal stuff up. Or instead of doing either you could bring up another one: faux inconsistency > to assume I don't know how to remap keys. No, I assumed you didn't > I know how, I just don't care keeping a keyboard map on me all the time and remapping everyone's keyboard just because I'd like to type numbers not using the number row. This is also hyperbolic nonsense, you don't need to do any of that (why would you ever keep a keyboard map on you at all???), keyboards you use 99% of the time is literally just a few of them, so remapping them is nowhere close to remapping everyone's > So not only is it skewed Which I've already addressed and you still couldn't respond. Your fingers are skewed, so ergonomic numpad wouldn't be linear > you're wanting it flipped from how normal keyboard numberpads are. Or I want it matching how (very frequently used) normal phone numpads are. But that's also an sidetracking nitpick since proper design would match whatever the use wants, so 789 would also fit > FWIW it was a line of Dell Inspiron laptops FWIW this is false, there were/are no such laptops, you're just too tied in trying to twist your personal story into some argument to address what I'm actually saying. Laptop is not aware of your input fields, so they can't dynamically switch to a numpad on the main alpha keys. And yes, they reused 789, so again, no laptop used an ergonomic no-mod numpad input mode. > just saying I used that kind input before and personally didn't care much for it. That's not all you're saying, and more importantly, that's not what I was arguing against since, again, how is your experience relevant this? Yet you keep bringing it up...
  - vel0city 3y ago
    > Your fingers are skewed, so ergonomic numpad wouldn't be linear And yet the numpad people really seem to like is a straight grid. > That's not all you're saying My original comment was literally my personal experiences and the reasons why I had those experiences. > how is your experience relevant this? I used pretty dang similar keyboard layouts on several devices for over 20 years and didn't enjoy it. That's what makes it relevant. It's like you're saying, "chocolate is objectively the best flavor of ice cream" and I'm saying I've had it a bunch over 20 years and still prefer vanilla. And apparently it's not exactly a feature most other people are clamoring for, because while there are some laptops out there with that feature it is pretty much never a notable one. In fact, its such a non-notable feature you're telling me they don't exist. Instead, people who want a number pad choose to buy bigger laptops with a number pad laid out in a straight grid instead of dealing with the number pad mixed in the alpha keys. > FWIW this is false, there were/are no such laptops You're trying to gas light me saying laptops sitting in my closet don't exist and couldn't possibly work. Turns out Dell even has decently modern-ish Latitude laptops with this layout. And looking at my stack of laptops I even have an HP that had that feature as well. You're right they didn't know the input field, but you'd just hold fn with your left finger and suddenly they'd be number pad keys (or toggle fn lock or numlock or whatever for the specific model). https://www.computer-keyboards.com/laptop_keyboard_for_dell_latitude_7390.html https://www.computer-keyboards.com/laptop_keyboard_for_dell_... https://www.cpumedics.com/dell-pk130vn1a00-black-keyboard-us-layout-non-backlit-with-stick-point-for-latitude-e7440/ https://www.cpumedics.com/dell-pk130vn1a00-black-keyboard-us... I'm done here dude. You're being so toxic to someone just sharing a personal experience of using a keyboard like this and finding it not that great, to the point you're trying to gaslight me into believing these laptops don't exist. You're clearly not interested in any bit of a productive conversation. You don't need to get so angry and rude over someone sharing their experience over a keyboard layout feature.

by eviks 3y ago

vel0city 3y ago

> Ok, so you didn't know how to do some simple keyboard remapping This topic is about website input forms, what OS configuration do you need to visit a website? Dang you're being highly inconsistent here. Should this just be an input on a website or an OS level keyboard remap? You're being quite rude to assume I don't know how to remap keys. I know how, I just don't care keeping a keyboard map on me all the time and remapping everyone's keyboard just because I'd like to type numbers not using the number row. I'd rather just have the muscle memory of being fast with the number row. > Which laptop allows using uio as 123 when in a numeric input field? Not uio as 123, but that's not really emulating a computer number pad anyways as a computer number pad has 789 along the top. So not only is it skewed you're wanting it flipped from how normal keyboard numberpads are. FWIW it was a line of Dell Inspiron laptops in the late 90s and a Compaq laptop in the mid 2000s that had a number pad on the keyboard, however it usually reused the 789 along the top. It wasn't a massively uncommon feature back then, but it definitely wasn't on every laptop. Mostly on business focused machines from my experience. You're being incredibly hostile to me just saying I used that kind input before and personally didn't care much for it. I'm just sharing my personal experiences using that input you're suggesting for a couple of decades on and off. An input style that clearly wasn't popular enough to continue carrying forward on modern laptops despite being somewhat common decades ago.

eviks 3y ago
> Should this just be an input on a website or an OS level keyboard remap? Up to you, I didn't bring all this irrelevant personal stuff up. Or instead of doing either you could bring up another one: faux inconsistency > to assume I don't know how to remap keys. No, I assumed you didn't > I know how, I just don't care keeping a keyboard map on me all the time and remapping everyone's keyboard just because I'd like to type numbers not using the number row. This is also hyperbolic nonsense, you don't need to do any of that (why would you ever keep a keyboard map on you at all???), keyboards you use 99% of the time is literally just a few of them, so remapping them is nowhere close to remapping everyone's > So not only is it skewed Which I've already addressed and you still couldn't respond. Your fingers are skewed, so ergonomic numpad wouldn't be linear > you're wanting it flipped from how normal keyboard numberpads are. Or I want it matching how (very frequently used) normal phone numpads are. But that's also an sidetracking nitpick since proper design would match whatever the use wants, so 789 would also fit > FWIW it was a line of Dell Inspiron laptops FWIW this is false, there were/are no such laptops, you're just too tied in trying to twist your personal story into some argument to address what I'm actually saying. Laptop is not aware of your input fields, so they can't dynamically switch to a numpad on the main alpha keys. And yes, they reused 789, so again, no laptop used an ergonomic no-mod numpad input mode. > just saying I used that kind input before and personally didn't care much for it. That's not all you're saying, and more importantly, that's not what I was arguing against since, again, how is your experience relevant this? Yet you keep bringing it up...
- vel0city 3y ago
  > Your fingers are skewed, so ergonomic numpad wouldn't be linear And yet the numpad people really seem to like is a straight grid. > That's not all you're saying My original comment was literally my personal experiences and the reasons why I had those experiences. > how is your experience relevant this? I used pretty dang similar keyboard layouts on several devices for over 20 years and didn't enjoy it. That's what makes it relevant. It's like you're saying, "chocolate is objectively the best flavor of ice cream" and I'm saying I've had it a bunch over 20 years and still prefer vanilla. And apparently it's not exactly a feature most other people are clamoring for, because while there are some laptops out there with that feature it is pretty much never a notable one. In fact, its such a non-notable feature you're telling me they don't exist. Instead, people who want a number pad choose to buy bigger laptops with a number pad laid out in a straight grid instead of dealing with the number pad mixed in the alpha keys. > FWIW this is false, there were/are no such laptops You're trying to gas light me saying laptops sitting in my closet don't exist and couldn't possibly work. Turns out Dell even has decently modern-ish Latitude laptops with this layout. And looking at my stack of laptops I even have an HP that had that feature as well. You're right they didn't know the input field, but you'd just hold fn with your left finger and suddenly they'd be number pad keys (or toggle fn lock or numlock or whatever for the specific model). https://www.computer-keyboards.com/laptop_keyboard_for_dell_latitude_7390.html https://www.computer-keyboards.com/laptop_keyboard_for_dell_... https://www.cpumedics.com/dell-pk130vn1a00-black-keyboard-us-layout-non-backlit-with-stick-point-for-latitude-e7440/ https://www.cpumedics.com/dell-pk130vn1a00-black-keyboard-us... I'm done here dude. You're being so toxic to someone just sharing a personal experience of using a keyboard like this and finding it not that great, to the point you're trying to gaslight me into believing these laptops don't exist. You're clearly not interested in any bit of a productive conversation. You don't need to get so angry and rude over someone sharing their experience over a keyboard layout feature.