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Um... no where did I mention anything about the fee... They could have put the app on the app store on the EU and on their store. But did not.

talldayo 3y ago
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- nerdjon 3y ago
  Or, you know the developer could do what they did in other countries and just put it on the EU App store... Clearly it works there, according to the verge it's identical. Could even charge the same $2 a year if they really want too. Again, not complaining about the fee here. You replied to me thinking I was upset about a certain thing, that is not in fact the thing I am upset about and you seem to be doubling down... My core issue here, is being forced to download an alternative store by the developer making a choice. They did not have to make this choice. But they did, and now as the user I have no choice but to follow if I want to download it. This really isn't hard to understand. If it really is about the CTF, just charge the same fee.
  - talldayo 3y ago
    That really sucks. I don't deal with any of that on Android, it must be an iOS-specific policy that results in the vast and feverish desire for developers to leave the App Store. As a user, you must really be going through it. From a developer standpoint (or hell, even a business one), kissing Apple's ring is not infinitely viable. Either Apple drafts more amicable first-party terms for their developers, or the people creating content for their users will make their platform a living hell. You should be mad, there shouldn't be anyone stopping you from installing whatever you want freely in the first place. But here we are, with our App Stores from on-high. I really hope things change for you. I don't hold much faith in Apple's strategy working going forwards.
    - nerdjon 3y ago
      Android is a good point because there were a lot of people trying to say, well this didn't happen on Android. I get it from a developer stand point, but from a user standpoint I bought an iPhone because of the restrictions developers had to abide by (not that I agree with all of them, like with Emulators). I subscribe to a number of apps on my iPhone through the App Store because of the easy way to cancel any subscription quickly, the lack of dark patterns, etc. It drove me insane that Spotify and others tried to frame this as "user choice" when we know well that it had nothing to do with that. I strongly believe this is going to backfire hard and this is just the beginning.
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littlestymaar 3y ago
They tried to put their app on the App store since 2016! Apple refused, for EIGHT years! Then they developed their own version of an indie app store so that they can actually distribute the emulator because of that. Apple only allowed it to be published on the app store TODAY, just the day of the release of the AltStore because they are trying to make a point, the malice is on Apple's side here. But the comments here make it sounds like it works on their all most hardcore fanbase.
- nerdjon 3y ago
  I think it was last week we were talking about a different emulator that was approved, so let's not try to jump to conclusions about why Apple may or may not have done something. I have not seen anything that the release on the App Store was held up by apple and that this wasn't just instead an simultaneous release on both platforms by the developer. Yes Apple did not previously allow this until they changed their policy recently to allow emulation (which I think was about a month ago). This does not change the fact that the developer is choosing to put the app on the App Store everywhere except for the EU, and in the EU you have to use their store.
  - littlestymaar 3y ago
    > I have not seen anything that the release on the App Store was held up by apple and that this wasn't just instead an simultaneous release on both platforms by the developer. See this commit from 3 years ago[1]! On Delta's Repo: > Delta was originally developed under the impression Apple would allow it into the App Store. Unfortunately Apple later changed their minds, leaving me no choice but to find a new way to distribute Delta. Long story short, this led me to create AltStore, which now serves as the official way to install Delta onto your device. The main reason why you “have not seen anything that the release on the App Store was held up by apple” is that because you did not want to see it, because it goes against your believes (believes that have been manufactured by Apple's propaganda machine). > Yes Apple did not previously allow this until they changed their policy recently to allow emulation (which I think was about a month ago). And guess why their changed their policy? Because of DMA put them in an untenable posture. > This does not change the fact that the developer is choosing to put the app on the App Store everywhere except for the EU, and in the EU you have to use their store. That's a genuine “fuck you Apple” move, which is understandable given how much “fuck you Delta” Apple gave them before, but it's also a bit of a problem. But here again this is 100% on Apple! They can 100% ban this kind of things by adding a policy to the app store that says “If you want to distribute on the App store outside of the EU, you have to provide your software on the app store in the EU as well” even if that doesn't prevent the release on an alternative store. The main reason why they don't do that, is because it would ruin their FUD about this exact situation. You are being manipulated by a trillion dollar company, that not only hate your individual freedom, but also wants to make sure you hate it yourself so you never ask for it. And unfortunately that propaganda keeps proving highly effective… [1] https://github.com/rileytestut/Delta/blob/abd7338a08a4948c55c28c803a838d5f63a9f069/README.md https://github.com/rileytestut/Delta/blob/abd7338a08a4948c55...

talldayo 3y ago

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nerdjon 3y ago
Or, you know the developer could do what they did in other countries and just put it on the EU App store... Clearly it works there, according to the verge it's identical. Could even charge the same $2 a year if they really want too. Again, not complaining about the fee here. You replied to me thinking I was upset about a certain thing, that is not in fact the thing I am upset about and you seem to be doubling down... My core issue here, is being forced to download an alternative store by the developer making a choice. They did not have to make this choice. But they did, and now as the user I have no choice but to follow if I want to download it. This really isn't hard to understand. If it really is about the CTF, just charge the same fee.
- talldayo 3y ago
  That really sucks. I don't deal with any of that on Android, it must be an iOS-specific policy that results in the vast and feverish desire for developers to leave the App Store. As a user, you must really be going through it. From a developer standpoint (or hell, even a business one), kissing Apple's ring is not infinitely viable. Either Apple drafts more amicable first-party terms for their developers, or the people creating content for their users will make their platform a living hell. You should be mad, there shouldn't be anyone stopping you from installing whatever you want freely in the first place. But here we are, with our App Stores from on-high. I really hope things change for you. I don't hold much faith in Apple's strategy working going forwards.
  - nerdjon 3y ago
    Android is a good point because there were a lot of people trying to say, well this didn't happen on Android. I get it from a developer stand point, but from a user standpoint I bought an iPhone because of the restrictions developers had to abide by (not that I agree with all of them, like with Emulators). I subscribe to a number of apps on my iPhone through the App Store because of the easy way to cancel any subscription quickly, the lack of dark patterns, etc. It drove me insane that Spotify and others tried to frame this as "user choice" when we know well that it had nothing to do with that. I strongly believe this is going to backfire hard and this is just the beginning.
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littlestymaar 3y ago

They tried to put their app on the App store since 2016! Apple refused, for EIGHT years! Then they developed their own version of an indie app store so that they can actually distribute the emulator because of that. Apple only allowed it to be published on the app store TODAY, just the day of the release of the AltStore because they are trying to make a point, the malice is on Apple's side here. But the comments here make it sounds like it works on their all most hardcore fanbase.

nerdjon 3y ago
I think it was last week we were talking about a different emulator that was approved, so let's not try to jump to conclusions about why Apple may or may not have done something. I have not seen anything that the release on the App Store was held up by apple and that this wasn't just instead an simultaneous release on both platforms by the developer. Yes Apple did not previously allow this until they changed their policy recently to allow emulation (which I think was about a month ago). This does not change the fact that the developer is choosing to put the app on the App Store everywhere except for the EU, and in the EU you have to use their store.
- littlestymaar 3y ago
  > I have not seen anything that the release on the App Store was held up by apple and that this wasn't just instead an simultaneous release on both platforms by the developer. See this commit from 3 years ago[1]! On Delta's Repo: > Delta was originally developed under the impression Apple would allow it into the App Store. Unfortunately Apple later changed their minds, leaving me no choice but to find a new way to distribute Delta. Long story short, this led me to create AltStore, which now serves as the official way to install Delta onto your device. The main reason why you “have not seen anything that the release on the App Store was held up by apple” is that because you did not want to see it, because it goes against your believes (believes that have been manufactured by Apple's propaganda machine). > Yes Apple did not previously allow this until they changed their policy recently to allow emulation (which I think was about a month ago). And guess why their changed their policy? Because of DMA put them in an untenable posture. > This does not change the fact that the developer is choosing to put the app on the App Store everywhere except for the EU, and in the EU you have to use their store. That's a genuine “fuck you Apple” move, which is understandable given how much “fuck you Delta” Apple gave them before, but it's also a bit of a problem. But here again this is 100% on Apple! They can 100% ban this kind of things by adding a policy to the app store that says “If you want to distribute on the App store outside of the EU, you have to provide your software on the app store in the EU as well” even if that doesn't prevent the release on an alternative store. The main reason why they don't do that, is because it would ruin their FUD about this exact situation. You are being manipulated by a trillion dollar company, that not only hate your individual freedom, but also wants to make sure you hate it yourself so you never ask for it. And unfortunately that propaganda keeps proving highly effective… [1] https://github.com/rileytestut/Delta/blob/abd7338a08a4948c55c28c803a838d5f63a9f069/README.md https://github.com/rileytestut/Delta/blob/abd7338a08a4948c55...