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No, I hate to disagree so unequivocally, but you pretty much never pivot your front wheel on a bike to turn! I have a cargo bike with a lockable front wheel, a

No, I hate to disagree so unequivocally, but you pretty much never pivot your front wheel on a bike to turn! I have a cargo bike with a lockable front wheel, and even if I forget to unlock that, I can still drive, even though it's unpleasant. That unpleasantness mostly comes from being unable to turn my front wheel in the opposite direction before leaning in to the actual turn direction, though. This is on a manually powered bike, though, so maybe things are different on a motor bike? But I sort-of doubt it, since the physics are the same...

Arelius 2y ago
I think, some confusion, at least mine, comes from comparing bicycles to motor bikes. I imagine you are right that initiating a lean with a bicycle without steering should be fairly doable. The confusion, is motobikes are much heavier, and with heavier wheels, maintain much stronger gyroscopic forces. So while I recognize the ease of your experience leaning a bicycle. It becomes much more difficult with a motorbike. Bringing this back to the original post. Looking at this thing, I imagine it'd be hard to properly lean it given what appears to be significant heft. Edit: To be clear, I mostly agree that it's the lean that's the primary factor in the turn. Just a subtle bit of confusion over how important steering is over initiating the lean in heavier bikes.
- PreInternet01 2y ago
  I can absolutely guarantee you that on a snow bike, leaning into the direction you want to go in is critical. Turning the front skis (which have a range of, maybe, 20 degrees, not sure, never used them!) is discouraged, and probably doesn't do much, except in emergencies. Like braking! And yeah, these things weigh around 200kgs (450 lbs), before occupants.
alamortsubite 2y ago
By awkwardly turning with the front wheel locked, what you're demonstrating is that your cargo bike isn't perfectly rigid.

Arelius 2y ago

I think, some confusion, at least mine, comes from comparing bicycles to motor bikes. I imagine you are right that initiating a lean with a bicycle without steering should be fairly doable. The confusion, is motobikes are much heavier, and with heavier wheels, maintain much stronger gyroscopic forces. So while I recognize the ease of your experience leaning a bicycle. It becomes much more difficult with a motorbike. Bringing this back to the original post. Looking at this thing, I imagine it'd be hard to properly lean it given what appears to be significant heft. Edit: To be clear, I mostly agree that it's the lean that's the primary factor in the turn. Just a subtle bit of confusion over how important steering is over initiating the lean in heavier bikes.

PreInternet01 2y ago
I can absolutely guarantee you that on a snow bike, leaning into the direction you want to go in is critical. Turning the front skis (which have a range of, maybe, 20 degrees, not sure, never used them!) is discouraged, and probably doesn't do much, except in emergencies. Like braking! And yeah, these things weigh around 200kgs (450 lbs), before occupants.

alamortsubite 2y ago

By awkwardly turning with the front wheel locked, what you're demonstrating is that your cargo bike isn't perfectly rigid.