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AltStore PAL, the first alternative app marketplace on iPhone, is available now

208 points by HelenePhisher 2y ago

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daveidol 2y ago
Is there any plan to distribute Delta via the App Store in the US now that emulators are officially allowed? Or is Delta being used mainly as the incentive to use AltStore?
- lxgr 2y ago
  It's already there (everywhere except in the EU, apparently)!
  - daveidol 2y ago
    Really? I can’t find it on the US store currently
    - nerdjon 2y ago
      https://apps.apple.com/us/app/delta-game-emulator/id1048524688 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/delta-game-emulator/id10485246... It is there. According to the verge it is also identical: https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/17/24132984/delta-free-emulator-nintendo-gba-n64-iphone-app-store-us https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/17/24132984/delta-free-emula... Curious why it is not available in the EU on the App Store (if it really isn't, I can't confirm)
      - HelenePhisher 2y ago
        It really isn't.
      - lxgr 2y ago
        Presumably to encourage people to subscribe to the AltStore, which doesn't feel like a very classy move. (Update below – it might be because of Apple's CTF.) This is in addition to a somewhat dubious licensing clause on the Delta GitHub repo that violates the GPL, under which most of the emulator cores it uses are licensed: https://github.com/rileytestut/Delta/issues/296 https://github.com/rileytestut/Delta/issues/296 On the other hand, due to how Apple's EU "compliance" is implemented (opting into the new business terms is all-or-nothing per legal entity, not per account), I believe it might be impossible for the developer to now publish any apps in the EU App Store without paying the CTF anyway, so it does all go back to Apple's malicious compliance in the end.
        kmeisthax 2y ago
        Regarding Delta and AGPLv3: I'm not entirely convinced the current Delta terms are actually in violation of AGPLv3. For context: > Due to the licensing of emulator cores used by Delta, I have no choice but to distribute Delta under the AGPLv3 license. That being said, I explicitly give permission for anyone to use, modify, and distribute all my original code for this project in any form, with or without attribution, without fear of legal consequences — unless you plan to submit your app to Apple’s App Store, in which case written permission from me is explicitly required. Dependencies remain under their original licenses. Basically, "I grant you the combined work under AGPLv3, plus an exception for my original code." You can make use of the exception iff either that original code is separable from the rest of the work or all other involved copyright holders grant identical exceptions. The "No further restrictions" clause can only apply to code that Riley Testut does not own and is using under the AGPLv3 license.
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      - moritz64 2y ago
        Just tried, it is not available in the German App Store
    - aprilnya 2y ago
      App Store has this quirk where, when a brand new app releases, it doesn't show up in search results for a bit. So if you're ever trying to find an app that just released, try going to a link instead of using the App Store's search
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rwbt 2y ago
Love the 'PAL' reference - just like how many in North America were pining for the PAL video standard (initially Europe but later entire world except North America) but we were stuck with NTSC (and doubled down).
- lxgr 2y ago
  On the other hand, many cool games never made it to the PAL region, and a lot of PAL ports (and video releases) got technically botched in some way.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    There's a sad bit of irony that the year is 2024 and the game console in your pocket could feasibly run anything you want, but the OEM region-locked it again.
    - nfriedly 2y ago
      I initially thought of my RG35XX+ when I read "the game console in your pocket" and thought "no, it's not region locked". Then I realized this was a discussion about iPhones and yes, they are region locked now. But, FWIW, I've been really happy with acmeplus's beta of Batocera Linux on my RG35XX+. My son and I have been taking turns playing through old gems like Pokemon and Aladdin on it, and I'm hoping to finally beat Final Fantasy VII one of these days.
    - kernal 2y ago
      Most, if not all, emulators ignore / bypass region locking. I've yet to come across any emulator that strictly enforces it
      - TheCapeGreek 2y ago
        Emulators using region-specific BIOS files can still have issues though.
  - deergomoo 2y ago
lycos 2y ago
Delta for free in the regular App Store everywhere but the EU where we have to download a paid app store to install it, so it begins.
- nerdjon 2y ago
  Right? This is exactly what I have been worried about and people tried to explain to tell me that, no this doesn't remove choice from me as a user. When in fact it does, if I was in the EU (and if the US does something similar, likely here) if I wanted to download this I would have to use their store. The choice is being made for me by the developer. It didn't take long to already have an example of this happening and bigger companies will likely follow suit. So how exactly does this benefit users again and isn't all about appeasing developers?
  - goosedragons 2y ago
    Whose fault is it that it has to be a paid app store? Blame Apple for their ridiculous policies that essentially require it.
    - nerdjon 2y ago
      I never mentioned anything about the fee, just that you have to use a different store.
      - littlestymaar 2y ago
        A different store than what, Delta wasn't even available on the app store until earlier today! And the irony is that they had to develop the entire store just so that they could bypass the walled garden.
        nerdjon 2y ago
        > A different store than what, Delta wasn't even available on the app store until earlier today! And unless I am missing something it wasn't available on this alternative store until today. What does that change about the conversation? > And the irony is that they had to develop the entire store just so that they could bypass the walled garden. Clearly not since it is available on the Apple App Store in every country other than the EU.
tdsanchez 2y ago
Cydia was the first alternate app store.
- EcommerceFlow 2y ago
  I wonder if Cydia would be allowed on the new alternative app marketplace...
  - pfg_ 2y ago
    Cydia installs deb packages which can modify system files. The EU method only allows installation of signed .ipa apps
- aptgetrekt 2y ago
  *Cydia was the first app store [on iPhones]
- lantonmills 2y ago
  You're forgetting Installer.app, which predated Cydia! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Installer.app https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Installer.app
  - saurik 2y ago
    (I'd argue that wasn't a "store".)
    - broodbucket 2y ago
      In what sense? Testing my memory here, but it let you install stuff from various developers. Cydia cranked things up several notches (thanks for that, by the way), but are they both not "stores"?
      - saurik 2y ago
        I guess, to me, the defining characteristic of a "store" is that you can buy things at a store... it just feels awkward to say that a store is just a place that has things and lets you get them on request ;P. AppTapp Installer was merely a package manager, and they did not implement any store functionality. FWIW, in Cydia's case, I didn't launch "Cydia Store" until about a year after I launched "Cydia Installer". (AppTapp also wasn't the first package manager for the iPhone, but maybe it was the first one on-device? The one I had used involved USB and some web page I think, but I am forgetting the name.)
DavideNL 2y ago
Links to announcement from AltStore themselves: - https://fosstodon.org/@altstore/112287538562764439 https://fosstodon.org/@altstore/112287538562764439 - https://fosstodon.org/@altstore/112287558511134794 https://fosstodon.org/@altstore/112287558511134794
lapcat 2y ago
"For developers who choose to agree to the new business terms, membership in the Apple Developer Program includes one million first annual installs per year for free for apps distributed from the App Store, Web Distribution, and/or alternative marketplaces." https://developer.apple.com/support/core-technology-fee/ https://developer.apple.com/support/core-technology-fee/ This is what some commenters here don't understand when they criticize the developer for not offering a free App Store version in the EU. Once a developer distributes outside the App Store in the EU, Apple applies the CTF to everything the developer distributes in the EU, whether inside or outside the App Store. Financially, there's no way that they could offer a free version in the EU. Also note: "Developers of alternative app marketplaces will pay the Core Technology Fee for every first annual install of their app marketplace, including installs that occur before one million."
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- threeseed 2y ago
  There is nothing stopping you having multiple developer accounts. And there is the option of setting up a non-profit which removes the CTF. It seems much more like the aim is to drive usage towards the AltStore.
  - lapcat 2y ago
    Why in the world would the developer want to jump through these hoops just to support the crApp Store in the EU? Apple has made this situation way more difficult than it needs to be. Don't blame the victims. Also, the EU is already investigating, and it's not clear that Apple's Rube Goldberg machine will ultimately stand up to DMA scrutiny.
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davelondon 2y ago
I signed up, paid €1.50 and was only then told I wasn't eligible. I can imagine they're going to be doing a lot of €1.50 refunds
- SllX 2y ago
  Outside the EU? Looks like they make it incredibly easy to pay with no pre-verification, so yeah, probably a lot of refunds.
  - madjam002 2y ago
    Yeah they really should be using Stripe to authorise the card payment and then capture it when the app is successfully installed
- darknavi 2y ago
  How do I request a refund, I am in the same boat...
- depaulagu 2y ago
  Same here...
phantompeace 2y ago
Hmm, my Apple ID is set to the UK, i paid using a UK card (Monzo), whilst connected to my home VPN (tunnelled) but currently abroad on holiday in Asia and it’s telling me I need to physically be in the EU to install it…
- m463 2y ago
  No matter what apple says about privacy being a right, they don't let your location be private to their business. I remember years ago turning off location services on my iphone, and finding my iphone connecting to .ls.apple.com all the time (location services). I just think people don't want to give up control. They just trick/force/wear down people/customers until they give up their* control. It's too bad. I remember reading Matt Ridley's "the rational optimist" I think he said that when trading partners have trust, trading is unlimited. If I was treated with respect by apple, I would have trust and buy all kinds of things from them. Instead, I have to do this careful calculus, with devices, upgrades, apps and usually do not.
  - Almondsetat 2y ago
    Even if you turn them off you can still get tracked through SSIDs
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- ktosobcy 2y ago
  Would that even work in the UK considering Brexit el al? Besides Apple already mentioned that it's location based and if you go out of the EU you will only have about month of "trial" to use the apps... Apple can go to hell :D
- KeplerBoy 2y ago
  The UK hasn't been part of the EU for quite some time now.
- polski-g 2y ago
  You need a faraday cage and a GPS spoof.
pretext-1 2y ago
There seems to be an issue with the download. After purchasing it redirects to a download page but when clicking on download nothing happens. Other users on Reddit are reporting this too. Hope it gets fixed or refunded.
- roblabla 2y ago
  I had the same problem. I had to long press the download button and open in a new tab for it to do anything. It then showed the popup saying I needed to allow installation of the app in the settings before long-pressing download again.
  - luismedel 2y ago
    I'm trying right now from Spain, using an iPhone SE with iOS 17.4.1 and faced the following problems: - I used Firefox, which can't be used for this. OK, I go to Safari. - In Safari, I tap the "Download" button and get a message indicating that I can't install because my settings. I only see two options "OK" and "More information", but no details about "which" setting I need to change. - In the "More information" page, I only read a wall of text that doesn't explain what the fxxx I need to do to in order to perform the install. - No matter how I try, there's no results in the settings search for "external", "install" or "market". - Oh, and the "Download" button no longer works after pressing it 2 or 3 times. I suppose this is to "protect me" from evil scammers, of course. Dark patterns galore.
    - luismedel 2y ago
      Update on my post: you need to enable "Screen time" in your phone :-O
- dgellow 2y ago
  Same issue here on an iPhone SE. Also tried on an iPad, where I got a pop up “you can only install this marketplace on an iPhone”, which is disappointing.
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masfuerte 2y ago
Offtopic: a while ago the mastodon web interface changed so you had to enable javascript to see anything. I stopped reading mastodon links. I've just noticed that the server will cough up the post if you add "/embed" to the url. For the fine article: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/112287515017810339/embed https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/112287515017810339/...
topherPedersen 2y ago
When will third party app stores be available in the United States?
- aprilnya 2y ago
  Apple is only doing this because the EU forced them to, so unless the US forces them to as well, it will never happen. App Store is Apple's golden goose and they would never give even a slice of it up voluntarily
  - ClassyJacket 2y ago
    Poor destitute Apple, they have to keep the iPhone a walled garden to feed their families. They don't have anywhere near enough money already. The executives are surviving on cabbage soup. Tim Cook will literally have to eat cardboard for dinner if they don't make another hundred billion dollars next year.
- bogwog 2y ago
  When the DOJ kicks their ass in court (unless Trump wins and replaces DOJ/FTC leadership with incompetent clowns again)
uyzstvqs 2y ago
Honestly, if you're remotely interested in installing this then just get an Android phone and get real side-loading. AltStore is more like a franchise of the App Store where Apple is still in charge, but doesn't directly run it. What's funny is that here in Europe where this AltStore now exists, Android is clearly far more common than Apple already anyway.
- M4v3R 2y ago
  > just get an Android phone I hope you're joking. If you're an Apple user that's invested in their ecosystem "just getting an Android phone" could probably mean changing the way you do many things, resigning from services you were used to,, learning how to do things on the other side, and so on. That also applies when switching from Android to iPhone. It's just not that easy.
adolph 2y ago
Positioning it as “Altstore” as in “alternative store” instead of “awesome store” seems like weak branding.
john9090 2y ago
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208 points by HelenePhisher 2y ago

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Is there any plan to distribute Delta via the App Store in the US now that emulators are officially allowed? Or is Delta being used mainly as the incentive to use AltStore?

lxgr 2y ago
It's already there (everywhere except in the EU, apparently)!
- daveidol 2y ago
  Really? I can’t find it on the US store currently
  - nerdjon 2y ago
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/delta-game-emulator/id1048524688 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/delta-game-emulator/id10485246... It is there. According to the verge it is also identical: https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/17/24132984/delta-free-emulator-nintendo-gba-n64-iphone-app-store-us https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/17/24132984/delta-free-emula... Curious why it is not available in the EU on the App Store (if it really isn't, I can't confirm)
    - HelenePhisher 2y ago
      It really isn't.
    - lxgr 2y ago
      Presumably to encourage people to subscribe to the AltStore, which doesn't feel like a very classy move. (Update below – it might be because of Apple's CTF.) This is in addition to a somewhat dubious licensing clause on the Delta GitHub repo that violates the GPL, under which most of the emulator cores it uses are licensed: https://github.com/rileytestut/Delta/issues/296 https://github.com/rileytestut/Delta/issues/296 On the other hand, due to how Apple's EU "compliance" is implemented (opting into the new business terms is all-or-nothing per legal entity, not per account), I believe it might be impossible for the developer to now publish any apps in the EU App Store without paying the CTF anyway, so it does all go back to Apple's malicious compliance in the end.
      - kmeisthax 2y ago
        Regarding Delta and AGPLv3: I'm not entirely convinced the current Delta terms are actually in violation of AGPLv3. For context: > Due to the licensing of emulator cores used by Delta, I have no choice but to distribute Delta under the AGPLv3 license. That being said, I explicitly give permission for anyone to use, modify, and distribute all my original code for this project in any form, with or without attribution, without fear of legal consequences — unless you plan to submit your app to Apple’s App Store, in which case written permission from me is explicitly required. Dependencies remain under their original licenses. Basically, "I grant you the combined work under AGPLv3, plus an exception for my original code." You can make use of the exception iff either that original code is separable from the rest of the work or all other involved copyright holders grant identical exceptions. The "No further restrictions" clause can only apply to code that Riley Testut does not own and is using under the AGPLv3 license.
      - deleted 2y ago
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    - moritz64 2y ago
      Just tried, it is not available in the German App Store
  - aprilnya 2y ago
    App Store has this quirk where, when a brand new app releases, it doesn't show up in search results for a bit. So if you're ever trying to find an app that just released, try going to a link instead of using the App Store's search
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rwbt 2y ago

Love the 'PAL' reference - just like how many in North America were pining for the PAL video standard (initially Europe but later entire world except North America) but we were stuck with NTSC (and doubled down).

lxgr 2y ago
On the other hand, many cool games never made it to the PAL region, and a lot of PAL ports (and video releases) got technically botched in some way.
- talldayo 2y ago
  There's a sad bit of irony that the year is 2024 and the game console in your pocket could feasibly run anything you want, but the OEM region-locked it again.
  - nfriedly 2y ago
    I initially thought of my RG35XX+ when I read "the game console in your pocket" and thought "no, it's not region locked". Then I realized this was a discussion about iPhones and yes, they are region locked now. But, FWIW, I've been really happy with acmeplus's beta of Batocera Linux on my RG35XX+. My son and I have been taking turns playing through old gems like Pokemon and Aladdin on it, and I'm hoping to finally beat Final Fantasy VII one of these days.
  - kernal 2y ago
    Most, if not all, emulators ignore / bypass region locking. I've yet to come across any emulator that strictly enforces it
    - TheCapeGreek 2y ago
      Emulators using region-specific BIOS files can still have issues though.
- deergomoo 2y ago

lycos 2y ago

Delta for free in the regular App Store everywhere but the EU where we have to download a paid app store to install it, so it begins.

nerdjon 2y ago
Right? This is exactly what I have been worried about and people tried to explain to tell me that, no this doesn't remove choice from me as a user. When in fact it does, if I was in the EU (and if the US does something similar, likely here) if I wanted to download this I would have to use their store. The choice is being made for me by the developer. It didn't take long to already have an example of this happening and bigger companies will likely follow suit. So how exactly does this benefit users again and isn't all about appeasing developers?
- goosedragons 2y ago
  Whose fault is it that it has to be a paid app store? Blame Apple for their ridiculous policies that essentially require it.
  - nerdjon 2y ago
    I never mentioned anything about the fee, just that you have to use a different store.
    - littlestymaar 2y ago
      A different store than what, Delta wasn't even available on the app store until earlier today! And the irony is that they had to develop the entire store just so that they could bypass the walled garden.
      - nerdjon 2y ago
        > A different store than what, Delta wasn't even available on the app store until earlier today! And unless I am missing something it wasn't available on this alternative store until today. What does that change about the conversation? > And the irony is that they had to develop the entire store just so that they could bypass the walled garden. Clearly not since it is available on the Apple App Store in every country other than the EU.

tdsanchez 2y ago

Cydia was the first alternate app store.

EcommerceFlow 2y ago
I wonder if Cydia would be allowed on the new alternative app marketplace...
- pfg_ 2y ago
  Cydia installs deb packages which can modify system files. The EU method only allows installation of signed .ipa apps
aptgetrekt 2y ago
*Cydia was the first app store [on iPhones]
lantonmills 2y ago
You're forgetting Installer.app, which predated Cydia! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Installer.app https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Installer.app
- saurik 2y ago
  (I'd argue that wasn't a "store".)
  - broodbucket 2y ago
    In what sense? Testing my memory here, but it let you install stuff from various developers. Cydia cranked things up several notches (thanks for that, by the way), but are they both not "stores"?
    - saurik 2y ago
      I guess, to me, the defining characteristic of a "store" is that you can buy things at a store... it just feels awkward to say that a store is just a place that has things and lets you get them on request ;P. AppTapp Installer was merely a package manager, and they did not implement any store functionality. FWIW, in Cydia's case, I didn't launch "Cydia Store" until about a year after I launched "Cydia Installer". (AppTapp also wasn't the first package manager for the iPhone, but maybe it was the first one on-device? The one I had used involved USB and some web page I think, but I am forgetting the name.)

DavideNL 2y ago

Links to announcement from AltStore themselves: - https://fosstodon.org/@altstore/112287538562764439 https://fosstodon.org/@altstore/112287538562764439 - https://fosstodon.org/@altstore/112287558511134794 https://fosstodon.org/@altstore/112287558511134794

lapcat 2y ago

"For developers who choose to agree to the new business terms, membership in the Apple Developer Program includes one million first annual installs per year for free for apps distributed from the App Store, Web Distribution, and/or alternative marketplaces." https://developer.apple.com/support/core-technology-fee/ https://developer.apple.com/support/core-technology-fee/ This is what some commenters here don't understand when they criticize the developer for not offering a free App Store version in the EU. Once a developer distributes outside the App Store in the EU, Apple applies the CTF to everything the developer distributes in the EU, whether inside or outside the App Store. Financially, there's no way that they could offer a free version in the EU. Also note: "Developers of alternative app marketplaces will pay the Core Technology Fee for every first annual install of their app marketplace, including installs that occur before one million."

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threeseed 2y ago
There is nothing stopping you having multiple developer accounts. And there is the option of setting up a non-profit which removes the CTF. It seems much more like the aim is to drive usage towards the AltStore.
- lapcat 2y ago
  Why in the world would the developer want to jump through these hoops just to support the crApp Store in the EU? Apple has made this situation way more difficult than it needs to be. Don't blame the victims. Also, the EU is already investigating, and it's not clear that Apple's Rube Goldberg machine will ultimately stand up to DMA scrutiny.
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davelondon 2y ago

I signed up, paid €1.50 and was only then told I wasn't eligible. I can imagine they're going to be doing a lot of €1.50 refunds

SllX 2y ago
Outside the EU? Looks like they make it incredibly easy to pay with no pre-verification, so yeah, probably a lot of refunds.
- madjam002 2y ago
  Yeah they really should be using Stripe to authorise the card payment and then capture it when the app is successfully installed
darknavi 2y ago
How do I request a refund, I am in the same boat...
depaulagu 2y ago
Same here...

phantompeace 2y ago

Hmm, my Apple ID is set to the UK, i paid using a UK card (Monzo), whilst connected to my home VPN (tunnelled) but currently abroad on holiday in Asia and it’s telling me I need to physically be in the EU to install it…

m463 2y ago
No matter what apple says about privacy being a right, they don't let your location be private to their business. I remember years ago turning off location services on my iphone, and finding my iphone connecting to .ls.apple.com all the time (location services). I just think people don't want to give up control. They just trick/force/wear down people/customers until they give up their* control. It's too bad. I remember reading Matt Ridley's "the rational optimist" I think he said that when trading partners have trust, trading is unlimited. If I was treated with respect by apple, I would have trust and buy all kinds of things from them. Instead, I have to do this careful calculus, with devices, upgrades, apps and usually do not.
- Almondsetat 2y ago
  Even if you turn them off you can still get tracked through SSIDs
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ktosobcy 2y ago
Would that even work in the UK considering Brexit el al? Besides Apple already mentioned that it's location based and if you go out of the EU you will only have about month of "trial" to use the apps... Apple can go to hell :D
KeplerBoy 2y ago
The UK hasn't been part of the EU for quite some time now.
polski-g 2y ago
You need a faraday cage and a GPS spoof.

pretext-1 2y ago

There seems to be an issue with the download. After purchasing it redirects to a download page but when clicking on download nothing happens. Other users on Reddit are reporting this too. Hope it gets fixed or refunded.

roblabla 2y ago
I had the same problem. I had to long press the download button and open in a new tab for it to do anything. It then showed the popup saying I needed to allow installation of the app in the settings before long-pressing download again.
- luismedel 2y ago
  I'm trying right now from Spain, using an iPhone SE with iOS 17.4.1 and faced the following problems: - I used Firefox, which can't be used for this. OK, I go to Safari. - In Safari, I tap the "Download" button and get a message indicating that I can't install because my settings. I only see two options "OK" and "More information", but no details about "which" setting I need to change. - In the "More information" page, I only read a wall of text that doesn't explain what the fxxx I need to do to in order to perform the install. - No matter how I try, there's no results in the settings search for "external", "install" or "market". - Oh, and the "Download" button no longer works after pressing it 2 or 3 times. I suppose this is to "protect me" from evil scammers, of course. Dark patterns galore.
  - luismedel 2y ago
    Update on my post: you need to enable "Screen time" in your phone :-O
dgellow 2y ago
Same issue here on an iPhone SE. Also tried on an iPad, where I got a pop up “you can only install this marketplace on an iPhone”, which is disappointing.
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masfuerte 2y ago

Offtopic: a while ago the mastodon web interface changed so you had to enable javascript to see anything. I stopped reading mastodon links. I've just noticed that the server will cough up the post if you add "/embed" to the url. For the fine article: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/112287515017810339/embed https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/112287515017810339/...

topherPedersen 2y ago

When will third party app stores be available in the United States?

aprilnya 2y ago
Apple is only doing this because the EU forced them to, so unless the US forces them to as well, it will never happen. App Store is Apple's golden goose and they would never give even a slice of it up voluntarily
- ClassyJacket 2y ago
  Poor destitute Apple, they have to keep the iPhone a walled garden to feed their families. They don't have anywhere near enough money already. The executives are surviving on cabbage soup. Tim Cook will literally have to eat cardboard for dinner if they don't make another hundred billion dollars next year.
bogwog 2y ago
When the DOJ kicks their ass in court (unless Trump wins and replaces DOJ/FTC leadership with incompetent clowns again)

uyzstvqs 2y ago

Honestly, if you're remotely interested in installing this then just get an Android phone and get real side-loading. AltStore is more like a franchise of the App Store where Apple is still in charge, but doesn't directly run it. What's funny is that here in Europe where this AltStore now exists, Android is clearly far more common than Apple already anyway.

M4v3R 2y ago
> just get an Android phone I hope you're joking. If you're an Apple user that's invested in their ecosystem "just getting an Android phone" could probably mean changing the way you do many things, resigning from services you were used to,, learning how to do things on the other side, and so on. That also applies when switching from Android to iPhone. It's just not that easy.

adolph 2y ago

Positioning it as “Altstore” as in “alternative store” instead of “awesome store” seems like weak branding.

john9090 2y ago

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