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Mozila is not a political organization but someone in a position of power took an action that hurt some big donors. Those donors are well withing their right to

by _fnkp 2y ago

Mozila is not a political organization but someone in a position of power took an action that hurt some big donors. Those donors are well withing their right to stop donating after that. But since they believe in the foundation mission, despite the actions from the leadership, they looked for an compromise that Eich accepted (apologizing) and then refused to fulfill his end (the real big problem). At this point there was no more compromise, either Eich is out or the donors are and Mozilla does not have the luxury of losing donors, most of their money may come from Google but for then every penny counts. This was not political activism by Mozilla, it was choosing between a rock and a hard place, either losing a big chunk of money or loosing the CEO and making some irrelevant people unhappy, the best decision is very clear to me, CEO is easy to find a replacement, money not so much and 99% of the people complaining are not either. This was political activism by the donors and they are totally within their right to do it with their money.

Hock88sdx 2y ago
Which donor? Only Google and Microsoft make up 90% of Mozilla income. So a 10% guy is that powerful? Epstein? Mozilla turned too political in the last 10 years. I dont bother with that ki d of company. Anyway, Brave is damn good compare to sluggish Mozilla especially their older gecko. Their newer quantum also terrible when compared to Brave, Arc, or even a niche Floorp or Thorium. VPN? I go with Proton or setup my own. As for app? Dolphin and Opera works way better. Mozilla is a relic. They turn themselves one.
- _fnkp 2y ago
  It does not matter which donor.. MF does not have many new sources of money coming around so they need to keep every penny they get coming. Even if Google and Microsoft were 99% of their income they can still do not have the luxury of losing that extra 1%, loosing the CEO is still a better option then loosing 1% of their income. And unless you were donating anything closer then that 1% to MF then you and your opinion are irrelevant for their situation. You may belive they are political all you want, it will not change the fact that they could not afford to loose that donor. As for the other browsers, they are a joke, Brave, Dolphin and Opera are all just chrome with a different skin, might as well be using chrome then. No thank you. Any browser that use webkit is ultimately bound by google decision on what they want to do with their engine, just like when google make manifest v3 the only one available next june and break most, if not all, ad blockers. It will affect all those browsers eventually. Now if any of those browsers want to keep manifest v2 to keep ad blockers working they will have to put the manpower to do it themselves and have to fight Google every step of the way because Google will surely start breaking things they need for the effort, the amount of work will only grow over time until they give up.
  - BrendanEich 2y ago
    Google's not removing the internals for webRequest, as far as we can tell they have internal and "enterprise" needs.
BrendanEich 2y ago
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- _fnkp 2y ago
  I was not repeating someone else lies, i was discussing the topic posted with my understanding on what was posted here with the information i had at the time. Your replies to him were posted much later then my comments and by the time you posted i could not edit or delete my post. I did posted some other reply further down in this thread that while were posted after you replies i wrote then before i saw your replies, so also based solo on the information post by the OP. If the information is incorrect then my apologies. To anyone else looking at this please look at the OP posted here and at Eich replies and reach a conclusion by yourselves. @dang if you see this fill free to delete my comments. EDIT: just to add that i have sent an email requesting my comments to be deleted, although i do not know how long that might take.
  - BrendanEich 2y ago
    Thanks for this, I misread your comment. Sorry about that. It's still tricky to believe a claim made by one person on the Internet, but in this case, I think one should look at who said it, when they said it, whether it's credible (this "board secret plan" claim is not), and what people directly involved have and have not said. I've said my peace now.
- dang 2y ago
  Please make your substantive points without crossing into personal attack. Your comment would be fine without the second sentence. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - BrendanEich 2y ago
    Sorry, frustrating that a lie goes around the world six times before the truth can put its boots on. Also that I've abided by Mozilla NDAs while others there (or who used to be there) have not.

by _fnkp 2y ago

Hock88sdx 2y ago

Which donor? Only Google and Microsoft make up 90% of Mozilla income. So a 10% guy is that powerful? Epstein? Mozilla turned too political in the last 10 years. I dont bother with that ki d of company. Anyway, Brave is damn good compare to sluggish Mozilla especially their older gecko. Their newer quantum also terrible when compared to Brave, Arc, or even a niche Floorp or Thorium. VPN? I go with Proton or setup my own. As for app? Dolphin and Opera works way better. Mozilla is a relic. They turn themselves one.

_fnkp 2y ago
It does not matter which donor.. MF does not have many new sources of money coming around so they need to keep every penny they get coming. Even if Google and Microsoft were 99% of their income they can still do not have the luxury of losing that extra 1%, loosing the CEO is still a better option then loosing 1% of their income. And unless you were donating anything closer then that 1% to MF then you and your opinion are irrelevant for their situation. You may belive they are political all you want, it will not change the fact that they could not afford to loose that donor. As for the other browsers, they are a joke, Brave, Dolphin and Opera are all just chrome with a different skin, might as well be using chrome then. No thank you. Any browser that use webkit is ultimately bound by google decision on what they want to do with their engine, just like when google make manifest v3 the only one available next june and break most, if not all, ad blockers. It will affect all those browsers eventually. Now if any of those browsers want to keep manifest v2 to keep ad blockers working they will have to put the manpower to do it themselves and have to fight Google every step of the way because Google will surely start breaking things they need for the effort, the amount of work will only grow over time until they give up.
- BrendanEich 2y ago
  Google's not removing the internals for webRequest, as far as we can tell they have internal and "enterprise" needs.

BrendanEich 2y ago

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_fnkp 2y ago
I was not repeating someone else lies, i was discussing the topic posted with my understanding on what was posted here with the information i had at the time. Your replies to him were posted much later then my comments and by the time you posted i could not edit or delete my post. I did posted some other reply further down in this thread that while were posted after you replies i wrote then before i saw your replies, so also based solo on the information post by the OP. If the information is incorrect then my apologies. To anyone else looking at this please look at the OP posted here and at Eich replies and reach a conclusion by yourselves. @dang if you see this fill free to delete my comments. EDIT: just to add that i have sent an email requesting my comments to be deleted, although i do not know how long that might take.
- BrendanEich 2y ago
  Thanks for this, I misread your comment. Sorry about that. It's still tricky to believe a claim made by one person on the Internet, but in this case, I think one should look at who said it, when they said it, whether it's credible (this "board secret plan" claim is not), and what people directly involved have and have not said. I've said my peace now.
dang 2y ago
Please make your substantive points without crossing into personal attack. Your comment would be fine without the second sentence. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- BrendanEich 2y ago
  Sorry, frustrating that a lie goes around the world six times before the truth can put its boots on. Also that I've abided by Mozilla NDAs while others there (or who used to be there) have not.