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> But they have to stretch People already routinely type at least !, @, and $ often enough and it doesn't seem to be that big of a deal. > On phones you have

> But they have to stretch People already routinely type at least !, @, and $ often enough and it doesn't seem to be that big of a deal. > On phones you have numpad input for the same reason Yes, a straight grid of numbers for touchscreens not one heavily skewed to the side. Also, the number pad keyboard means larger hitboxes for numbers to type them faster. There's also no real "home row" on a phone keyboard. Look, if it makes you happy, do it. I'm just suggesting that to me its not really that much better than just pressing the keys that are practically always there on any regular keyboard. I'd personally just rather get better at pressing the number row keys instead of ensuring I'm on a keyboard or OS configuration to allow me to have some non-standard numberpad layer on the keyboard.

eviks 3y ago
> doesn't seem to be that big of a deal. Ok, it's a medium type of a deal, so? Why do you insist a worse way is better just because you personally don't care? > straight grid of numbers for touchscreens not one heavily skewed to the side. Why would it be skewed? You use fingers completely different on a phone, so why would you expect the same form? > Also, the number pad keyboard means larger hitboxes for numbers to type them faster. And alpha keys are closer to your fingers so you can type those 4 numbers faster > There's also no real "home row" on a phone keyboard. There is, check where your thumb(s) "rest" when you type on your phone > instead of ensuring I'm on a keyboard or OS configuration This topic is about website input forms, what OS configuration do you need to visit a website?
- vel0city 3y ago
  > Why would it be skewed? Well you tell me my fingers aren't straight and aligning a number pad to straight lines is worse than skewed. > Why do you insist a worse way is better just because you personally don't care? I didn't say I didn't care. In my personal experiences it's worse. I've had laptops that had it, and it never felt good. Plus it was only on that one laptop, not my keyboard at school or work, not the keyboard at a friend's house, not the keyboard on my desktop, etc. > This topic is about website input forms, what OS configuration do you need to visit a website? So a keyboard layer that isn't labeled on your keyboard and is on some sites and not others and not on most other apps you use. Clearly the optimal way for the site to support as input, I'm sure it'll get lots of adoption in random two factor input code boxes. I'll definitely commit this pattern to muscle memory for the random site I encounter supporting this.
  - eviks 3y ago
    > Well you tell me my fingers aren't straight and aligning a number pad to straight lines is worse than skewed. Yes, I also told you it's not a relevant factor for the phone (do you hold 3 fingers of different length on your screen touchpad? Skewed parallel to the screen so that rearranging buttons would fit it better??), yet you ignored it. Apples and oranges > In my personal experiences it's worse. I've had laptops that had it, and it never felt good. Which laptop allows using uio as 123 when in a numeric input field? > it was only on that one laptop, not my keyboard at school or work, not the keyboard at a friend's house, not the keyboard on my desktop, etc. Ok, so you didn't know how to do some simple keyboard remapping. How is this relevant for this conversation about an additional web input form option? > definitely commit this pattern to muscle memory for the randomsite I encounter supporting this. You don't need to commit anything, your memory can remain as blank as it is now with only some vague memory of something similar from your past, it would still work. Similarly, if it works in just 1% of input forms, it would still be an improvement... in 1% of cases. Where did you get and idea that universal adoption is a prerequisite from? Phone numpad-like mode doesn't work everywhere, still useful when it does
    - vel0city 3y ago
      > Ok, so you didn't know how to do some simple keyboard remapping This topic is about website input forms, what OS configuration do you need to visit a website? Dang you're being highly inconsistent here. Should this just be an input on a website or an OS level keyboard remap? You're being quite rude to assume I don't know how to remap keys. I know how, I just don't care keeping a keyboard map on me all the time and remapping everyone's keyboard just because I'd like to type numbers not using the number row. I'd rather just have the muscle memory of being fast with the number row. > Which laptop allows using uio as 123 when in a numeric input field? Not uio as 123, but that's not really emulating a computer number pad anyways as a computer number pad has 789 along the top. So not only is it skewed you're wanting it flipped from how normal keyboard numberpads are. FWIW it was a line of Dell Inspiron laptops in the late 90s and a Compaq laptop in the mid 2000s that had a number pad on the keyboard, however it usually reused the 789 along the top. It wasn't a massively uncommon feature back then, but it definitely wasn't on every laptop. Mostly on business focused machines from my experience. You're being incredibly hostile to me just saying I used that kind input before and personally didn't care much for it. I'm just sharing my personal experiences using that input you're suggesting for a couple of decades on and off. An input style that clearly wasn't popular enough to continue carrying forward on modern laptops despite being somewhat common decades ago.

eviks 3y ago

> doesn't seem to be that big of a deal. Ok, it's a medium type of a deal, so? Why do you insist a worse way is better just because you personally don't care? > straight grid of numbers for touchscreens not one heavily skewed to the side. Why would it be skewed? You use fingers completely different on a phone, so why would you expect the same form? > Also, the number pad keyboard means larger hitboxes for numbers to type them faster. And alpha keys are closer to your fingers so you can type those 4 numbers faster > There's also no real "home row" on a phone keyboard. There is, check where your thumb(s) "rest" when you type on your phone > instead of ensuring I'm on a keyboard or OS configuration This topic is about website input forms, what OS configuration do you need to visit a website?

vel0city 3y ago
> Why would it be skewed? Well you tell me my fingers aren't straight and aligning a number pad to straight lines is worse than skewed. > Why do you insist a worse way is better just because you personally don't care? I didn't say I didn't care. In my personal experiences it's worse. I've had laptops that had it, and it never felt good. Plus it was only on that one laptop, not my keyboard at school or work, not the keyboard at a friend's house, not the keyboard on my desktop, etc. > This topic is about website input forms, what OS configuration do you need to visit a website? So a keyboard layer that isn't labeled on your keyboard and is on some sites and not others and not on most other apps you use. Clearly the optimal way for the site to support as input, I'm sure it'll get lots of adoption in random two factor input code boxes. I'll definitely commit this pattern to muscle memory for the random site I encounter supporting this.
- eviks 3y ago
  > Well you tell me my fingers aren't straight and aligning a number pad to straight lines is worse than skewed. Yes, I also told you it's not a relevant factor for the phone (do you hold 3 fingers of different length on your screen touchpad? Skewed parallel to the screen so that rearranging buttons would fit it better??), yet you ignored it. Apples and oranges > In my personal experiences it's worse. I've had laptops that had it, and it never felt good. Which laptop allows using uio as 123 when in a numeric input field? > it was only on that one laptop, not my keyboard at school or work, not the keyboard at a friend's house, not the keyboard on my desktop, etc. Ok, so you didn't know how to do some simple keyboard remapping. How is this relevant for this conversation about an additional web input form option? > definitely commit this pattern to muscle memory for the randomsite I encounter supporting this. You don't need to commit anything, your memory can remain as blank as it is now with only some vague memory of something similar from your past, it would still work. Similarly, if it works in just 1% of input forms, it would still be an improvement... in 1% of cases. Where did you get and idea that universal adoption is a prerequisite from? Phone numpad-like mode doesn't work everywhere, still useful when it does
  - vel0city 3y ago
    > Ok, so you didn't know how to do some simple keyboard remapping This topic is about website input forms, what OS configuration do you need to visit a website? Dang you're being highly inconsistent here. Should this just be an input on a website or an OS level keyboard remap? You're being quite rude to assume I don't know how to remap keys. I know how, I just don't care keeping a keyboard map on me all the time and remapping everyone's keyboard just because I'd like to type numbers not using the number row. I'd rather just have the muscle memory of being fast with the number row. > Which laptop allows using uio as 123 when in a numeric input field? Not uio as 123, but that's not really emulating a computer number pad anyways as a computer number pad has 789 along the top. So not only is it skewed you're wanting it flipped from how normal keyboard numberpads are. FWIW it was a line of Dell Inspiron laptops in the late 90s and a Compaq laptop in the mid 2000s that had a number pad on the keyboard, however it usually reused the 789 along the top. It wasn't a massively uncommon feature back then, but it definitely wasn't on every laptop. Mostly on business focused machines from my experience. You're being incredibly hostile to me just saying I used that kind input before and personally didn't care much for it. I'm just sharing my personal experiences using that input you're suggesting for a couple of decades on and off. An input style that clearly wasn't popular enough to continue carrying forward on modern laptops despite being somewhat common decades ago.