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Thats.... still racist? Why does he think black people have a lower IQ? Nigerian immigrants to the US are some of the most successful immigrants. Like... black

Thats.... still racist? Why does he think black people have a lower IQ? Nigerian immigrants to the US are some of the most successful immigrants. Like... black people just do not have lower IQs and to say so is considered very dangerous rhetoric for a reason. The reason we even have pervasive belief that black people are stupider is because it was convenient rhetoric for the colonial powers pillaging Africa and treating black people as subhuman cattle. It's not a claim based on fact, nor is it a benign thing to say. ...IQ tests are also wildly flawed measures of intelligence anyway, but let's not even get into that.

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frozenseven 3y ago
>Why does he think black people have a lower IQ? Because of every study that's ever been done on this topic? Pointing this out isn't racist. >Nigerian immigrants to the US are some of the most successful immigrants. Typically those immigrants come from among the smartest few %.
- neffy 3y ago
  It of course depends on how you cut and slice it, and also on the categorisation of black - but we are talking about approximately 2-3 billion people there if we include India, Indonesia, Africa and the rest of the world. Can you point to a study that has comprehensively assessed that total population? Or just a few studies by Americans, who make their own racial biases, which from a cynical perspective can be boiled down to rampant and cruel exploitation over several centuries, abundantly clear in the articles concerned? Immigrants across the world tend to be a slightly self selecting class of folks - why would black immigrants be any different on that front?
  - frozenseven 3y ago
    South Asians are a wholly different and distinct group. Most Indonesians are South-East Asian, except for Chinese migrants and those living on the island of New Guinea. Africa is a continent, not a race. What you're saying is all over the place. And I'm not here to discuss politics.
    - selimthegrim 3y ago
      South Asians in the UK in the 80s and 90s were classed as black, n____, etc.
      - helboi4 3y ago
        Yup, I"m British and can confirm this was the case and it makes just as much sense as any other categorisation of black. Its almost as if race is a made up social construct. Even within Africa there are many different ethnicities, many of which are not very represented amongst African Americans, which is probably what the majority of people here see as black. That's just a subset of West Africans who are pretty mixed at this point.
        frozenseven 3y ago
        >I"m British and can confirm this was the case Ok, so there's a single country that allegedly had one category for anybody who's "brown". This does not matter at all. >it makes just as much sense as any other categorisation of black. Its almost as if race is a made up social construct Until someone needs a transplant. Or takes a genetic test. Or a legitimate anthropology course. Or when you need to call someone a racist.
        helboi4 3y ago
        Bro race is still made up in those scenarios. Somalis, Ethiopians, Zulus and African Americans are all black. None of these groups are the same ethnicity at all. Categorising them as "black" means nothing about their genetics. It means nothing about their culture. It means nothing about their medical outcomes.
        frozenseven 3y ago
        >Bro race is still made up in those scenarios. "Bro", race is a trivial fact to me. To you it's an ideological tenet. >None of these groups are the same ethnicity at all. I already explained this to you in another comment. You aren't saying anything new or interesting. Also, Somalis and Ethiopians are part of the same Northern East African genetic cluster.
  - airgapstopgap 3y ago
    Can you point to anyone other than yourself who calls Indonesians black? Because I think otherwise it's not worthwhile discussing categorization and measurement in good faith with you.
- BlueTemplar 3y ago
  This whole discussion is pointless - categorizing people by skin colour is ridiculous for almost all purposes, and also, considering history, racist. Also, didn't "black" and "n-word" switch meanings as slur/non-slur less than a century ago (and might switch them again in less than a century) ?
  - malfist 3y ago
    Are you trying to say that people didn't know the n word was offensive in....1996?
  - frozenseven 3y ago
    >categorizing people by skin colour is ridiculous for almost all purposes Sure. But race is most often about genetic (or ethno-linguistic) heritage, not skin color. A person from Japan might have the same skin color as someone from Greece.
    - goatlover 3y ago
      Sub-saharan Africans have greater genetic diversity than other continental populations. Race is just not an accurate categorization.
      - helboi4 3y ago
        Yup. Thanks for talking sense. There are tons of ethnicities in Africa. Which one exactly is the genetically stupid one?
        frozenseven 3y ago
        >There are tons of ethnicities in Africa. Only three large racial (genetic) groups in Sub-Saharan Africa. >Which one exactly is the genetically stupid one? You're trying to turn this into a normative claim, which it is not. And you started with the assumption that people are just saying this stuff for no reason at all.

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frozenseven 3y ago

>Why does he think black people have a lower IQ? Because of every study that's ever been done on this topic? Pointing this out isn't racist. >Nigerian immigrants to the US are some of the most successful immigrants. Typically those immigrants come from among the smartest few %.

neffy 3y ago
It of course depends on how you cut and slice it, and also on the categorisation of black - but we are talking about approximately 2-3 billion people there if we include India, Indonesia, Africa and the rest of the world. Can you point to a study that has comprehensively assessed that total population? Or just a few studies by Americans, who make their own racial biases, which from a cynical perspective can be boiled down to rampant and cruel exploitation over several centuries, abundantly clear in the articles concerned? Immigrants across the world tend to be a slightly self selecting class of folks - why would black immigrants be any different on that front?
- frozenseven 3y ago
  South Asians are a wholly different and distinct group. Most Indonesians are South-East Asian, except for Chinese migrants and those living on the island of New Guinea. Africa is a continent, not a race. What you're saying is all over the place. And I'm not here to discuss politics.
  - selimthegrim 3y ago
    South Asians in the UK in the 80s and 90s were classed as black, n____, etc.
    - helboi4 3y ago
      Yup, I"m British and can confirm this was the case and it makes just as much sense as any other categorisation of black. Its almost as if race is a made up social construct. Even within Africa there are many different ethnicities, many of which are not very represented amongst African Americans, which is probably what the majority of people here see as black. That's just a subset of West Africans who are pretty mixed at this point.
      - frozenseven 3y ago
        >I"m British and can confirm this was the case Ok, so there's a single country that allegedly had one category for anybody who's "brown". This does not matter at all. >it makes just as much sense as any other categorisation of black. Its almost as if race is a made up social construct Until someone needs a transplant. Or takes a genetic test. Or a legitimate anthropology course. Or when you need to call someone a racist.
        helboi4 3y ago
        Bro race is still made up in those scenarios. Somalis, Ethiopians, Zulus and African Americans are all black. None of these groups are the same ethnicity at all. Categorising them as "black" means nothing about their genetics. It means nothing about their culture. It means nothing about their medical outcomes.
        frozenseven 3y ago
        >Bro race is still made up in those scenarios. "Bro", race is a trivial fact to me. To you it's an ideological tenet. >None of these groups are the same ethnicity at all. I already explained this to you in another comment. You aren't saying anything new or interesting. Also, Somalis and Ethiopians are part of the same Northern East African genetic cluster.
- airgapstopgap 3y ago
  Can you point to anyone other than yourself who calls Indonesians black? Because I think otherwise it's not worthwhile discussing categorization and measurement in good faith with you.
BlueTemplar 3y ago
This whole discussion is pointless - categorizing people by skin colour is ridiculous for almost all purposes, and also, considering history, racist. Also, didn't "black" and "n-word" switch meanings as slur/non-slur less than a century ago (and might switch them again in less than a century) ?
- malfist 3y ago
  Are you trying to say that people didn't know the n word was offensive in....1996?
- frozenseven 3y ago
  >categorizing people by skin colour is ridiculous for almost all purposes Sure. But race is most often about genetic (or ethno-linguistic) heritage, not skin color. A person from Japan might have the same skin color as someone from Greece.
  - goatlover 3y ago
    Sub-saharan Africans have greater genetic diversity than other continental populations. Race is just not an accurate categorization.
    - helboi4 3y ago
      Yup. Thanks for talking sense. There are tons of ethnicities in Africa. Which one exactly is the genetically stupid one?
      - frozenseven 3y ago
        >There are tons of ethnicities in Africa. Only three large racial (genetic) groups in Sub-Saharan Africa. >Which one exactly is the genetically stupid one? You're trying to turn this into a normative claim, which it is not. And you started with the assumption that people are just saying this stuff for no reason at all.