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These LLMs are making RAM great again. Wish I had invested in the extra 32GB for my mac laptop.

Workaccount2 2y ago
You can't upgrade it? Edit: I haven't owned a laptop for years, probably could have surmised they'd be more user hostile nowadays.
- paxys 2y ago
  > mac laptop
- jonnycomputer 2y ago
  I really really like my Macbook Pro. But dammit, you can't upgrade the thing (Mac laptops aren't upgrade-able anymore). I got M1 Max in 2021 with 32GB of RAM. I did not anticipate needing more than 32GB for anything I'd be doing on it. Turns out, a couple of years later, I like to run local LLMs that max out my available memory.
  - jonnycomputer 2y ago
    I say 2021, but truth is the supply chain was so trash that year that it took almost a year to actually get delivered. I don't think I actually started using the thing until 2022.
    - jonnycomputer 2y ago
      I got downvoted for saying a true fact? that I ordered a the new M1 Max in 2021 and it took almost a year for me to actually get it? it true.
      - cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
        Maybe they think that you aren’t meaningfully contributing to the conversation, which seems very, very likely.
- kristopolous 2y ago
  Everything is soldered in these days. It's complete garbage. And most of the other vendors just copy Apple so even things like Lenovo have the same problems. The current state of laptops is such trash
  - sva_ 2y ago
    Plenty of laptops still have SO-DIMM, such as EliteBook for example. People need to vote with their wallet, and not buy stuff that goes against their principles.
    - popf1 2y ago
      There are so many variables though ... most of the time you have to compromise on a few things.
    - GeekyBear 2y ago
      With SO-DIMM you gain expandability at the cost of higher power draw and latency as well as lower throughput. > SO-DIMM memory is inherently slower than soldered memory. Moreover, considering the fact that SO-DIMM has a maximum speed of 6,400MHz means that it won’t be able to handle the DDR6 standard, which is already in the works. https://fossbytes.com/camm2-ram-standard/ https://fossbytes.com/camm2-ram-standard/
    - kristopolous 2y ago
      There needs to be more fidelity than "vote with wallet". Let's say I decided to not purchase your product. Why? The question remains unanswered. Perhaps I didn't see it for sale or Bob in accounting just got one and I didn't want to look like I was copying Bob. Even at scale this doesn't work. Let's say Lenovo switches to making all of their laptops hot pink with bedazzled rhinestone butterflies and sales plummet. You could argue it was the wrong pink or that the butterflies didn't shimmer enough ... any hypothesis you wish. The market provides an extremely low information poor signal that really doesn't suggest any course of action. If we really want something better, there needs to be more fruitful and meaningful communication lines. I've come up with various ideas over the years but haven't really implemented them.
- paxys 2y ago
  You are getting downvoted because you vaguely suggested something negative about an Apple product, as is my comment below
  - jonnycomputer 2y ago
    People are absurd with their downvotes. I got downvoted for saying it took almost a year for my macbook to arrive once i ordered it. Its true. But its also true that supply chains were a wreck at the time. Apple wasn't the only tech gadget that took forever to arrive.
  - cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
    FWIW, I am downvoting this comment because you’re whinging, not because I have an issue with which companies you do or do not like.
    - DaSHacka 2y ago
      So far in this thread, you've implied on giving downvotes to comments barely even critical of Apple, and ironically whining about the common sentiment on HN being against anti-repairable consumerist products products (as apple typically produces) Both of which seem to be exactly what GP took issue with, and was calling out.
devinprater 2y ago
My 32-GB RAM feels so inadequate now though!

You can't upgrade it? Edit: I haven't owned a laptop for years, probably could have surmised they'd be more user hostile nowadays.

paxys 2y ago
> mac laptop
jonnycomputer 2y ago
I really really like my Macbook Pro. But dammit, you can't upgrade the thing (Mac laptops aren't upgrade-able anymore). I got M1 Max in 2021 with 32GB of RAM. I did not anticipate needing more than 32GB for anything I'd be doing on it. Turns out, a couple of years later, I like to run local LLMs that max out my available memory.
- jonnycomputer 2y ago
  I say 2021, but truth is the supply chain was so trash that year that it took almost a year to actually get delivered. I don't think I actually started using the thing until 2022.
  - jonnycomputer 2y ago
    I got downvoted for saying a true fact? that I ordered a the new M1 Max in 2021 and it took almost a year for me to actually get it? it true.
    - cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
      Maybe they think that you aren’t meaningfully contributing to the conversation, which seems very, very likely.
kristopolous 2y ago
Everything is soldered in these days. It's complete garbage. And most of the other vendors just copy Apple so even things like Lenovo have the same problems. The current state of laptops is such trash
- sva_ 2y ago
  Plenty of laptops still have SO-DIMM, such as EliteBook for example. People need to vote with their wallet, and not buy stuff that goes against their principles.
  - popf1 2y ago
    There are so many variables though ... most of the time you have to compromise on a few things.
  - GeekyBear 2y ago
    With SO-DIMM you gain expandability at the cost of higher power draw and latency as well as lower throughput. > SO-DIMM memory is inherently slower than soldered memory. Moreover, considering the fact that SO-DIMM has a maximum speed of 6,400MHz means that it won’t be able to handle the DDR6 standard, which is already in the works. https://fossbytes.com/camm2-ram-standard/ https://fossbytes.com/camm2-ram-standard/
  - kristopolous 2y ago
    There needs to be more fidelity than "vote with wallet". Let's say I decided to not purchase your product. Why? The question remains unanswered. Perhaps I didn't see it for sale or Bob in accounting just got one and I didn't want to look like I was copying Bob. Even at scale this doesn't work. Let's say Lenovo switches to making all of their laptops hot pink with bedazzled rhinestone butterflies and sales plummet. You could argue it was the wrong pink or that the butterflies didn't shimmer enough ... any hypothesis you wish. The market provides an extremely low information poor signal that really doesn't suggest any course of action. If we really want something better, there needs to be more fruitful and meaningful communication lines. I've come up with various ideas over the years but haven't really implemented them.
paxys 2y ago
You are getting downvoted because you vaguely suggested something negative about an Apple product, as is my comment below
- jonnycomputer 2y ago
  People are absurd with their downvotes. I got downvoted for saying it took almost a year for my macbook to arrive once i ordered it. Its true. But its also true that supply chains were a wreck at the time. Apple wasn't the only tech gadget that took forever to arrive.
- cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
  FWIW, I am downvoting this comment because you’re whinging, not because I have an issue with which companies you do or do not like.
  - DaSHacka 2y ago
    So far in this thread, you've implied on giving downvotes to comments barely even critical of Apple, and ironically whining about the common sentiment on HN being against anti-repairable consumerist products products (as apple typically produces) Both of which seem to be exactly what GP took issue with, and was calling out.

devinprater 2y ago

My 32-GB RAM feels so inadequate now though!