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This is the bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7888/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7888... This is the

This is the bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7888/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7888... This is the report introducing the controversial amendment: https://www.congress.gov/congressional-report/118th-congress/house-report/456 https://www.congress.gov/congressional-report/118th-congress... The amendment is the last item in the report, under this heading: > 6. An Amendment To Be Offered by Representative Turner of Ohio or His Designee, Debatable for 10 Minutes This is the transcript of the session where the amendment was discussed and voted on: https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-170/issue-63/house-section/article/H2328-1 https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-170/iss... You can find the discussion within the text using this search term: > Amendment No. 6 Offered by Mr. Turner

czbond 2y ago
Thank you - I was looking for direction on what the substance of the issue is.
nimbius 2y ago
unsurprising. this has been a major reason the Republican house speaker is looking at a recall (yet again.) hardliners are upset the FISA regulations havent been renewed to their liking, and Mike Johnson (current speaker) would likely shore up his chances of making it at least 200 days as speaker if he passed this. getting moderate or traditional conservatives (let alone democrats or independents) to sign this is another matter entirely. FISA has become a babadook policy the US government would just as soon slowly forget about and expire, similar to GITMO and the more acerbic policies of the Bush administration during the WoT. these types of regulations enjoy pretty unilateral disapproval because they have the potential to bite the hand that feeds.
- ethbr1 2y ago
  There's a lot of intelligence/hawk support for ensuring FISA remains intact. I.e. historical GOP conservative.
  - chrisco255 2y ago
    They're called neocons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism), just one wing of U.S. conservatism and honestly plenty of modern Democrats could be described in this camp as well.
    - ecommerceguy 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - ethbr1 2y ago
        No, they're not unelected, as evidenced by everyone you mention having held an elected office.
        ecommerceguy 2y ago
        Please read again, I was referring to bureaucrats, and I think my statement makes that obvious.
        ethbr1 2y ago
        So do you have a problem with the elected officials who push for the policies you're against? Or the idea of a bureaucracy? Your comment was a bit all over the place in attributing the world's ills.
        ecommerceguy 2y ago
        >>So do you have a problem with the elected officials who push for the policies you're against? Yes >>Or the idea of a bureaucracy The discussion is about an article outlining the abuse of bureaucratic powers for political purposes. Of fucking course I'm against this. I honestly have no idea who would be pro government abuse, are you? If so, you're part of the problem too.
- spencerflem 2y ago
  this isn't the narrative I've heard- from what I've seen its the traditional democrats and republicans who are in favor, with the leftists opposed on human rights grounds and the hardcore trumpers opposed due to their grudge against the FBI
  - richrichie 2y ago
    FISA is a rubber stamp and has been abused for surveilling political opponents and journalists. It ought not to exist at all. Just because modern republicans hate it does not mean the hate is unwarranted.
    - spencerflem 2y ago
      fwiw I am opposed as well
- jasonm23 2y ago
  > FISA has become a babadook policy the US government Congratulations, you have recorded the first indexed hit of "babadook policy" recorded by Google Search. Now would you care to explain the phrase you have just effectively coined.
causal 2y ago
The way that these amendments can change specific punctuation without clarifying the impact or meaning of the change seems terrible. Like trying to read a git commit without any message.
- ethbr1 2y ago
  This is one reason for a republic, so that voters who can't be arsed to parse the farce can empower specialists to represent their positions. Congressional debate is supposed to be the forum in which details like that are noted and discussed.
  - causal 2y ago
    Well thank goodness they were given ten minutes to do so
moribvndvs 2y ago
I am not surprised that a colossal moron like Turner would spin disallowing warrantless spying on American citizens as guaranteeing “constitutional rights to our adversaries”.

czbond 2y ago

Thank you - I was looking for direction on what the substance of the issue is.

nimbius 2y ago

unsurprising. this has been a major reason the Republican house speaker is looking at a recall (yet again.) hardliners are upset the FISA regulations havent been renewed to their liking, and Mike Johnson (current speaker) would likely shore up his chances of making it at least 200 days as speaker if he passed this. getting moderate or traditional conservatives (let alone democrats or independents) to sign this is another matter entirely. FISA has become a babadook policy the US government would just as soon slowly forget about and expire, similar to GITMO and the more acerbic policies of the Bush administration during the WoT. these types of regulations enjoy pretty unilateral disapproval because they have the potential to bite the hand that feeds.

ethbr1 2y ago
There's a lot of intelligence/hawk support for ensuring FISA remains intact. I.e. historical GOP conservative.
- chrisco255 2y ago
  They're called neocons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism), just one wing of U.S. conservatism and honestly plenty of modern Democrats could be described in this camp as well.
  - ecommerceguy 2y ago
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    - ethbr1 2y ago
      No, they're not unelected, as evidenced by everyone you mention having held an elected office.
      - ecommerceguy 2y ago
        Please read again, I was referring to bureaucrats, and I think my statement makes that obvious.
        ethbr1 2y ago
        So do you have a problem with the elected officials who push for the policies you're against? Or the idea of a bureaucracy? Your comment was a bit all over the place in attributing the world's ills.
        ecommerceguy 2y ago
        >>So do you have a problem with the elected officials who push for the policies you're against? Yes >>Or the idea of a bureaucracy The discussion is about an article outlining the abuse of bureaucratic powers for political purposes. Of fucking course I'm against this. I honestly have no idea who would be pro government abuse, are you? If so, you're part of the problem too.
spencerflem 2y ago
this isn't the narrative I've heard- from what I've seen its the traditional democrats and republicans who are in favor, with the leftists opposed on human rights grounds and the hardcore trumpers opposed due to their grudge against the FBI
- richrichie 2y ago
  FISA is a rubber stamp and has been abused for surveilling political opponents and journalists. It ought not to exist at all. Just because modern republicans hate it does not mean the hate is unwarranted.
  - spencerflem 2y ago
    fwiw I am opposed as well
jasonm23 2y ago
> FISA has become a babadook policy the US government Congratulations, you have recorded the first indexed hit of "babadook policy" recorded by Google Search. Now would you care to explain the phrase you have just effectively coined.

causal 2y ago

The way that these amendments can change specific punctuation without clarifying the impact or meaning of the change seems terrible. Like trying to read a git commit without any message.

ethbr1 2y ago
This is one reason for a republic, so that voters who can't be arsed to parse the farce can empower specialists to represent their positions. Congressional debate is supposed to be the forum in which details like that are noted and discussed.
- causal 2y ago
  Well thank goodness they were given ten minutes to do so

moribvndvs 2y ago

I am not surprised that a colossal moron like Turner would spin disallowing warrantless spying on American citizens as guaranteeing “constitutional rights to our adversaries”.