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I watched a paraplegic man play chess with his mind a few weeks ago. To put Elon on the same list as Theranos seems inaccurate.

by nailer 3y ago

thejazzman 3y ago
Crediting Elon with everything he company's do doesn't strike me as fair or accurate It's one of the number one reasons I'd never work for him. Every failure is your fault and every success is his. Yet all he contributes is tweets
- dotnet00 3y ago
  When has Elon said that the failures are the faults of his employees? Hell, he seldom claims that it's his success. Every Starship test flight he's congratulated the team for a job well done. It's the random people constantly looking for excuses to not believe his successes ("he doesn'thave much to do with SpaceX" or "he stole Tesla"), as well as idiotic article headlines ("Elon Musk's SpaceX does X" etc) that have made up those ideas.
  - troupo 3y ago
    Elon is quite unique in the sense that: - he can identify incredibly good companies and products, and (usually) is able to lift them up, fund them, and leave them mostly be. It's not him running Tesla day-to-day (nor was tesla started by him), nor is it him running SpaceX, nor... - at the same time, everything that he's involved in directly is just abysmally stupid
    - nailer 3y ago
      Your post may or may not be correct, but does not answer the question in the comment you were responding to and has zero supporting arguments for both assertions you make.
- nailer 3y ago
  Why don’t you think it’s fair or accurate to credit founders with the work their companies do?
  - kibwen 3y ago
    Do we credit calculus to Isaac Newton, the guy who invented it, or to Charles II, the random schmuck who happened to be king at the time? Why on earth should we give founders credit for work done by other people? Musk is a lazy ketamine addict. He doesn't do anything other than tweet at himself from his alt accounts and fail upward, disproving meritocracy in the process.
    - nailer 3y ago
      I didn’t ask about kings, repeating the question to help you: > Why don’t you think it’s fair or accurate to credit founders with the work their companies do? Also do you have any evidence for the either of the two attacks on Musk?
      - jononor 3y ago
        It is not fair when it deprives the people working in the company of the recognition. Those people are critical to the successes.
        nailer 3y ago
        Why do you think crediting founders with the work their companies do means that people working in the company cannot also be credited?
        jononor 3y ago
        They can, and they should. Sometimes it is done. But to me it feels that many times a disproportionate amount of credit goes to founders/CEOs. People even fighting over whether for example Elon is successful or not, and completely disregarding everyone else in the organization. Or course the organizations are complex, but also mostly opaque - we do not know who does what.
JohnFen 3y ago
Musk regularly lies and cannot be trusted. He places a lot of bets, though, and that some of those bets may pay off in no way takes away from the fact that he engages in pretty scammy behavior. In my view, his SOP is pretty much exactly what Theranos tried to do: fake it (scam) until you make it.
- nailer 3y ago
  Theranos faked blood test results. This is not the same thing as ‘being slow at delivering self driving’ to quote one of the other people in this thread.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    Musk faked demos of FSD. What's the difference?
    - nailer 3y ago
      Not getting treated for a disease you have, or taking medication for a disease you don’t have, versus buying something that wasn’t yet as good as the product video.
      - JohnFen 3y ago
        There's certainly a difference in terms of the possible severity of the impact of the two things, but that doesn't speak to whether or not they're both scam behavior. If you're claiming things about your product or service that aren't true (even if they may become true eventually), and especially if you're faking evidence to support your lies, you're scamming.
      - acdha 3y ago
        People have died due to someone believing that a Tesla could handle normal driving conditions when it could not. That doesn’t seem like an incredibly huge gap in terms of impact.
- ryandrake 3y ago
vel0city 3y ago
I watched a "locked in" man use a computer mouse with a brain implant in 2002. It remains to be seen if this is actually better than what's been done before other than torturing a bunch of monkeys running needless experiments. Also I doubt Musk had much to do with the brain implant other than being someone to push people forward and being a bag of money for it. Did he design the implant? Did he insert it? Did he code it?
- Jerrrry 3y ago
  Goalposts: moved.
antifa 3y ago
Agreed, Musk seems to have bought and paid for mostly legitimate companies, and most "broken promises" seem to come from how desperate he is for attention on Twitter, often at the reputational detriment of said companies. If anything, he's just lucky his first big break company was PayPal, not Theranos. Probably most people are sad he went from cool sci-fi CEO to weird divorced dad energy on bird website CEO.

I watched a paraplegic man play chess with his mind a few weeks ago. To put Elon on the same list as Theranos seems inaccurate.

by nailer 3y ago

I watched a paraplegic man play chess with his mind a few weeks ago. To put Elon on the same list as Theranos seems inaccurate.

thejazzman 3y ago

Crediting Elon with everything he company's do doesn't strike me as fair or accurate It's one of the number one reasons I'd never work for him. Every failure is your fault and every success is his. Yet all he contributes is tweets

dotnet00 3y ago
When has Elon said that the failures are the faults of his employees? Hell, he seldom claims that it's his success. Every Starship test flight he's congratulated the team for a job well done. It's the random people constantly looking for excuses to not believe his successes ("he doesn'thave much to do with SpaceX" or "he stole Tesla"), as well as idiotic article headlines ("Elon Musk's SpaceX does X" etc) that have made up those ideas.
- troupo 3y ago
  Elon is quite unique in the sense that: - he can identify incredibly good companies and products, and (usually) is able to lift them up, fund them, and leave them mostly be. It's not him running Tesla day-to-day (nor was tesla started by him), nor is it him running SpaceX, nor... - at the same time, everything that he's involved in directly is just abysmally stupid
  - nailer 3y ago
    Your post may or may not be correct, but does not answer the question in the comment you were responding to and has zero supporting arguments for both assertions you make.
nailer 3y ago
Why don’t you think it’s fair or accurate to credit founders with the work their companies do?
- kibwen 3y ago
  Do we credit calculus to Isaac Newton, the guy who invented it, or to Charles II, the random schmuck who happened to be king at the time? Why on earth should we give founders credit for work done by other people? Musk is a lazy ketamine addict. He doesn't do anything other than tweet at himself from his alt accounts and fail upward, disproving meritocracy in the process.
  - nailer 3y ago
    I didn’t ask about kings, repeating the question to help you: > Why don’t you think it’s fair or accurate to credit founders with the work their companies do? Also do you have any evidence for the either of the two attacks on Musk?
    - jononor 3y ago
      It is not fair when it deprives the people working in the company of the recognition. Those people are critical to the successes.
      - nailer 3y ago
        Why do you think crediting founders with the work their companies do means that people working in the company cannot also be credited?
        jononor 3y ago
        They can, and they should. Sometimes it is done. But to me it feels that many times a disproportionate amount of credit goes to founders/CEOs. People even fighting over whether for example Elon is successful or not, and completely disregarding everyone else in the organization. Or course the organizations are complex, but also mostly opaque - we do not know who does what.

JohnFen 3y ago

Musk regularly lies and cannot be trusted. He places a lot of bets, though, and that some of those bets may pay off in no way takes away from the fact that he engages in pretty scammy behavior. In my view, his SOP is pretty much exactly what Theranos tried to do: fake it (scam) until you make it.

nailer 3y ago
Theranos faked blood test results. This is not the same thing as ‘being slow at delivering self driving’ to quote one of the other people in this thread.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  Musk faked demos of FSD. What's the difference?
  - nailer 3y ago
    Not getting treated for a disease you have, or taking medication for a disease you don’t have, versus buying something that wasn’t yet as good as the product video.
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      There's certainly a difference in terms of the possible severity of the impact of the two things, but that doesn't speak to whether or not they're both scam behavior. If you're claiming things about your product or service that aren't true (even if they may become true eventually), and especially if you're faking evidence to support your lies, you're scamming.
    - acdha 3y ago
      People have died due to someone believing that a Tesla could handle normal driving conditions when it could not. That doesn’t seem like an incredibly huge gap in terms of impact.
ryandrake 3y ago

vel0city 3y ago

I watched a "locked in" man use a computer mouse with a brain implant in 2002. It remains to be seen if this is actually better than what's been done before other than torturing a bunch of monkeys running needless experiments. Also I doubt Musk had much to do with the brain implant other than being someone to push people forward and being a bag of money for it. Did he design the implant? Did he insert it? Did he code it?

Jerrrry 3y ago
Goalposts: moved.

antifa 3y ago

Agreed, Musk seems to have bought and paid for mostly legitimate companies, and most "broken promises" seem to come from how desperate he is for attention on Twitter, often at the reputational detriment of said companies. If anything, he's just lucky his first big break company was PayPal, not Theranos. Probably most people are sad he went from cool sci-fi CEO to weird divorced dad energy on bird website CEO.