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Is selling something knowing that it can never deliver on the promise a scam? I think so. P.T. Barnum hawked shows outside the tent that couldn't deliver inside

Is selling something knowing that it can never deliver on the promise a scam? I think so. P.T. Barnum hawked shows outside the tent that couldn't deliver inside. Theranos could never deliver. Nor Magic Leap. Nor Elon on his crazy promises! They're all scammers.

cynicalpeace 3y ago
lol SpaceX has literally doubled the number of successful rocket launches since 2020
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- bathtub365 3y ago
  Despite this (and SpaceX seems to be the company of his that he is least involved in on a day to day basis) he has made many documented false promises. Playing with rockets shouldn’t excuse that https://elonmusk.today/ https://elonmusk.today/
  - Manabu-eo 3y ago
    SpaceX was the company he was most involved, and still is pretty involved. Just watch any factory tour he made, be it the 2005 ones or the new Texas ones. Or hear what people who worked with him talk. And I can't trust that site. An example: 3,129 days since Elon Musk said Teslas would have 1,000 kilometer (621 mile) range within a year or two. (9/23/2015) "My guess is probably we could break 1,000 kilometers within a year or two. I'd say 2017 for sure." An altered quote taken out of context. Here what he actually said from the interview[1]: Q: When will we break the 1000km range mark for an electric car? M: A thousand kilometers, hmm. Well, it depends under what circumstances for a thousand kilometers. As it is, the record right now for Model S is 800 km. That is the furthest that anyone has driven a Model S... Q: So we could be close? M: Yeah, we're pretty close. Now, in order to do that they did drive at a relatively slow speed. So, you know, we're taking, I think they drove maybe at 40 or 50 km/h or something like that. But I think, my guess is probably we could break a 1000km within... a year or two? Q: Okay, so within 2016 maybe even? M: I say if you say 2017 I'd say 2017 for sure. His prediction turned out completely accurate[2]. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl5vLC3Xlgc&feature=youtu.be&t=379 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl5vLC3Xlgc&feature=youtu.be... 2: https://electrek.co/2017/08/04/a-tesla-model-s-100d-just-drove-670-miles-1078km-on-a-single-charge/ https://electrek.co/2017/08/04/a-tesla-model-s-100d-just-dro...
- jayd16 3y ago
  And FSD is still not out, let alone robo taxis. Elon bullshits and sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't.
  - thejazzman 3y ago
    Well it is "out" and now everyone has it As one of those people, it's pretty bad, especially at navigation which Navigate on Autopilot was very good at Can't wait for his BS about record number of activations this quarter after he force activated it on the fleet That said, if it weren't for all the lies and hype, we'd probably all be blown away by what it can do
    - vel0city 3y ago
      Teslas can self-drive from NY to LA all on their own? That's out, and everyone has it? That's what was promised. If you sell someone a cherry pie to be delivered tomorrow, take nearly a decade, and end up handing them a bag of cherries and a dusting of flour with a label of "cherry pie" on it, you didn't meet your promises.
      - recursive 3y ago
        You're vigorously agreeing.
nailer 3y ago
I watched a paraplegic man play chess with his mind a few weeks ago. To put Elon on the same list as Theranos seems inaccurate.
- thejazzman 3y ago
  Crediting Elon with everything he company's do doesn't strike me as fair or accurate It's one of the number one reasons I'd never work for him. Every failure is your fault and every success is his. Yet all he contributes is tweets
  - dotnet00 3y ago
    When has Elon said that the failures are the faults of his employees? Hell, he seldom claims that it's his success. Every Starship test flight he's congratulated the team for a job well done. It's the random people constantly looking for excuses to not believe his successes ("he doesn'thave much to do with SpaceX" or "he stole Tesla"), as well as idiotic article headlines ("Elon Musk's SpaceX does X" etc) that have made up those ideas.
    - troupo 3y ago
      Elon is quite unique in the sense that: - he can identify incredibly good companies and products, and (usually) is able to lift them up, fund them, and leave them mostly be. It's not him running Tesla day-to-day (nor was tesla started by him), nor is it him running SpaceX, nor... - at the same time, everything that he's involved in directly is just abysmally stupid
      - nailer 3y ago
        Your post may or may not be correct, but does not answer the question in the comment you were responding to and has zero supporting arguments for both assertions you make.
  - nailer 3y ago
    Why don’t you think it’s fair or accurate to credit founders with the work their companies do?
mlinhares 3y ago
They did deliver, the device does mostly all the things that were shown in the demo and Marques shows most of it. is it incredibly bad at doing such things? yes. is a smartphone a much better device at doing all the things the AI pin does? yes as well. So i wouldn't call it a scam, its just a bad product.

cynicalpeace 3y ago

lol SpaceX has literally doubled the number of successful rocket launches since 2020

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bathtub365 3y ago
Despite this (and SpaceX seems to be the company of his that he is least involved in on a day to day basis) he has made many documented false promises. Playing with rockets shouldn’t excuse that https://elonmusk.today/ https://elonmusk.today/
- Manabu-eo 3y ago
  SpaceX was the company he was most involved, and still is pretty involved. Just watch any factory tour he made, be it the 2005 ones or the new Texas ones. Or hear what people who worked with him talk. And I can't trust that site. An example: 3,129 days since Elon Musk said Teslas would have 1,000 kilometer (621 mile) range within a year or two. (9/23/2015) "My guess is probably we could break 1,000 kilometers within a year or two. I'd say 2017 for sure." An altered quote taken out of context. Here what he actually said from the interview[1]: Q: When will we break the 1000km range mark for an electric car? M: A thousand kilometers, hmm. Well, it depends under what circumstances for a thousand kilometers. As it is, the record right now for Model S is 800 km. That is the furthest that anyone has driven a Model S... Q: So we could be close? M: Yeah, we're pretty close. Now, in order to do that they did drive at a relatively slow speed. So, you know, we're taking, I think they drove maybe at 40 or 50 km/h or something like that. But I think, my guess is probably we could break a 1000km within... a year or two? Q: Okay, so within 2016 maybe even? M: I say if you say 2017 I'd say 2017 for sure. His prediction turned out completely accurate[2]. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl5vLC3Xlgc&feature=youtu.be&t=379 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl5vLC3Xlgc&feature=youtu.be... 2: https://electrek.co/2017/08/04/a-tesla-model-s-100d-just-drove-670-miles-1078km-on-a-single-charge/ https://electrek.co/2017/08/04/a-tesla-model-s-100d-just-dro...
jayd16 3y ago
And FSD is still not out, let alone robo taxis. Elon bullshits and sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't.
- thejazzman 3y ago
  Well it is "out" and now everyone has it As one of those people, it's pretty bad, especially at navigation which Navigate on Autopilot was very good at Can't wait for his BS about record number of activations this quarter after he force activated it on the fleet That said, if it weren't for all the lies and hype, we'd probably all be blown away by what it can do
  - vel0city 3y ago
    Teslas can self-drive from NY to LA all on their own? That's out, and everyone has it? That's what was promised. If you sell someone a cherry pie to be delivered tomorrow, take nearly a decade, and end up handing them a bag of cherries and a dusting of flour with a label of "cherry pie" on it, you didn't meet your promises.
    - recursive 3y ago
      You're vigorously agreeing.

nailer 3y ago

I watched a paraplegic man play chess with his mind a few weeks ago. To put Elon on the same list as Theranos seems inaccurate.

thejazzman 3y ago
Crediting Elon with everything he company's do doesn't strike me as fair or accurate It's one of the number one reasons I'd never work for him. Every failure is your fault and every success is his. Yet all he contributes is tweets
- dotnet00 3y ago
  When has Elon said that the failures are the faults of his employees? Hell, he seldom claims that it's his success. Every Starship test flight he's congratulated the team for a job well done. It's the random people constantly looking for excuses to not believe his successes ("he doesn'thave much to do with SpaceX" or "he stole Tesla"), as well as idiotic article headlines ("Elon Musk's SpaceX does X" etc) that have made up those ideas.
  - troupo 3y ago
    Elon is quite unique in the sense that: - he can identify incredibly good companies and products, and (usually) is able to lift them up, fund them, and leave them mostly be. It's not him running Tesla day-to-day (nor was tesla started by him), nor is it him running SpaceX, nor... - at the same time, everything that he's involved in directly is just abysmally stupid
    - nailer 3y ago
      Your post may or may not be correct, but does not answer the question in the comment you were responding to and has zero supporting arguments for both assertions you make.
- nailer 3y ago
  Why don’t you think it’s fair or accurate to credit founders with the work their companies do?

mlinhares 3y ago

They did deliver, the device does mostly all the things that were shown in the demo and Marques shows most of it. is it incredibly bad at doing such things? yes. is a smartphone a much better device at doing all the things the AI pin does? yes as well. So i wouldn't call it a scam, its just a bad product.