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You could use listening to keys to make input more ergonomic: for example, allowing uio jkl m,. to be used as a keypad so you don't need to move your hand t

by eviks 3y ago

You could use listening to keys to make input more ergonomic: for example, allowing uio jkl m,. to be used as a keypad so you don't need to move your hand to the actual keypad. Or you can break actual keypads.

vel0city 3y ago
I personally never really cared for this setup, as on most keyboards that pattern is staggered and tilted while trying to emulate the straight number pad layout. The straight lines of the number pad are kind of the whole point to me for having a separate number pad area. Meanwhile all the numbers are still there on the regular keyboard just one row higher than you're normally typing. Plus, for a lot of typing a typist is already pressing the symbols on the number row anyways, so it's not like a typist is having to stretch to locations they're not normally pressing anyways. I'm not an accountant or mathematician or whatever so I tend to eschew number pads, so I'm probably a bit biased.
- eviks 3y ago
  > it's not like a typist is having to stretch to locations they're not normally pressing anyways. But they have to stretch, that's the issue, why do something unergonomic when you can do it better? On phones you have numpad input for the same reason - it's more convenient than the "familiar" horizontal keys > straight lines of the number pad are kind of the whole point to me for having a separate number pad area. But your fingers aren't straight, so that's also suboptimal. On the other hand you don't need to move your hand off home row and can also add more convenient backspace for error correction
  - vel0city 3y ago
    > But they have to stretch People already routinely type at least !, @, and $ often enough and it doesn't seem to be that big of a deal. > On phones you have numpad input for the same reason Yes, a straight grid of numbers for touchscreens not one heavily skewed to the side. Also, the number pad keyboard means larger hitboxes for numbers to type them faster. There's also no real "home row" on a phone keyboard. Look, if it makes you happy, do it. I'm just suggesting that to me its not really that much better than just pressing the keys that are practically always there on any regular keyboard. I'd personally just rather get better at pressing the number row keys instead of ensuring I'm on a keyboard or OS configuration to allow me to have some non-standard numberpad layer on the keyboard.
    - eviks 3y ago
      > doesn't seem to be that big of a deal. Ok, it's a medium type of a deal, so? Why do you insist a worse way is better just because you personally don't care? > straight grid of numbers for touchscreens not one heavily skewed to the side. Why would it be skewed? You use fingers completely different on a phone, so why would you expect the same form? > Also, the number pad keyboard means larger hitboxes for numbers to type them faster. And alpha keys are closer to your fingers so you can type those 4 numbers faster > There's also no real "home row" on a phone keyboard. There is, check where your thumb(s) "rest" when you type on your phone > instead of ensuring I'm on a keyboard or OS configuration This topic is about website input forms, what OS configuration do you need to visit a website?
      - vel0city 3y ago
        > Why would it be skewed? Well you tell me my fingers aren't straight and aligning a number pad to straight lines is worse than skewed. > Why do you insist a worse way is better just because you personally don't care? I didn't say I didn't care. In my personal experiences it's worse. I've had laptops that had it, and it never felt good. Plus it was only on that one laptop, not my keyboard at school or work, not the keyboard at a friend's house, not the keyboard on my desktop, etc. > This topic is about website input forms, what OS configuration do you need to visit a website? So a keyboard layer that isn't labeled on your keyboard and is on some sites and not others and not on most other apps you use. Clearly the optimal way for the site to support as input, I'm sure it'll get lots of adoption in random two factor input code boxes. I'll definitely commit this pattern to muscle memory for the random site I encounter supporting this.
        eviks 3y ago
        > Well you tell me my fingers aren't straight and aligning a number pad to straight lines is worse than skewed. Yes, I also told you it's not a relevant factor for the phone (do you hold 3 fingers of different length on your screen touchpad? Skewed parallel to the screen so that rearranging buttons would fit it better??), yet you ignored it. Apples and oranges > In my personal experiences it's worse. I've had laptops that had it, and it never felt good. Which laptop allows using uio as 123 when in a numeric input field? > it was only on that one laptop, not my keyboard at school or work, not the keyboard at a friend's house, not the keyboard on my desktop, etc. Ok, so you didn't know how to do some simple keyboard remapping. How is this relevant for this conversation about an additional web input form option? > definitely commit this pattern to muscle memory for the randomsite I encounter supporting this. You don't need to commit anything, your memory can remain as blank as it is now with only some vague memory of something similar from your past, it would still work. Similarly, if it works in just 1% of input forms, it would still be an improvement... in 1% of cases. Where did you get and idea that universal adoption is a prerequisite from? Phone numpad-like mode doesn't work everywhere, still useful when it does

by eviks 3y ago

vel0city 3y ago

I personally never really cared for this setup, as on most keyboards that pattern is staggered and tilted while trying to emulate the straight number pad layout. The straight lines of the number pad are kind of the whole point to me for having a separate number pad area. Meanwhile all the numbers are still there on the regular keyboard just one row higher than you're normally typing. Plus, for a lot of typing a typist is already pressing the symbols on the number row anyways, so it's not like a typist is having to stretch to locations they're not normally pressing anyways. I'm not an accountant or mathematician or whatever so I tend to eschew number pads, so I'm probably a bit biased.

eviks 3y ago
> it's not like a typist is having to stretch to locations they're not normally pressing anyways. But they have to stretch, that's the issue, why do something unergonomic when you can do it better? On phones you have numpad input for the same reason - it's more convenient than the "familiar" horizontal keys > straight lines of the number pad are kind of the whole point to me for having a separate number pad area. But your fingers aren't straight, so that's also suboptimal. On the other hand you don't need to move your hand off home row and can also add more convenient backspace for error correction
- vel0city 3y ago
  > But they have to stretch People already routinely type at least !, @, and $ often enough and it doesn't seem to be that big of a deal. > On phones you have numpad input for the same reason Yes, a straight grid of numbers for touchscreens not one heavily skewed to the side. Also, the number pad keyboard means larger hitboxes for numbers to type them faster. There's also no real "home row" on a phone keyboard. Look, if it makes you happy, do it. I'm just suggesting that to me its not really that much better than just pressing the keys that are practically always there on any regular keyboard. I'd personally just rather get better at pressing the number row keys instead of ensuring I'm on a keyboard or OS configuration to allow me to have some non-standard numberpad layer on the keyboard.
  - eviks 3y ago
    > doesn't seem to be that big of a deal. Ok, it's a medium type of a deal, so? Why do you insist a worse way is better just because you personally don't care? > straight grid of numbers for touchscreens not one heavily skewed to the side. Why would it be skewed? You use fingers completely different on a phone, so why would you expect the same form? > Also, the number pad keyboard means larger hitboxes for numbers to type them faster. And alpha keys are closer to your fingers so you can type those 4 numbers faster > There's also no real "home row" on a phone keyboard. There is, check where your thumb(s) "rest" when you type on your phone > instead of ensuring I'm on a keyboard or OS configuration This topic is about website input forms, what OS configuration do you need to visit a website?
    - vel0city 3y ago
      > Why would it be skewed? Well you tell me my fingers aren't straight and aligning a number pad to straight lines is worse than skewed. > Why do you insist a worse way is better just because you personally don't care? I didn't say I didn't care. In my personal experiences it's worse. I've had laptops that had it, and it never felt good. Plus it was only on that one laptop, not my keyboard at school or work, not the keyboard at a friend's house, not the keyboard on my desktop, etc. > This topic is about website input forms, what OS configuration do you need to visit a website? So a keyboard layer that isn't labeled on your keyboard and is on some sites and not others and not on most other apps you use. Clearly the optimal way for the site to support as input, I'm sure it'll get lots of adoption in random two factor input code boxes. I'll definitely commit this pattern to muscle memory for the random site I encounter supporting this.
      - eviks 3y ago
        > Well you tell me my fingers aren't straight and aligning a number pad to straight lines is worse than skewed. Yes, I also told you it's not a relevant factor for the phone (do you hold 3 fingers of different length on your screen touchpad? Skewed parallel to the screen so that rearranging buttons would fit it better??), yet you ignored it. Apples and oranges > In my personal experiences it's worse. I've had laptops that had it, and it never felt good. Which laptop allows using uio as 123 when in a numeric input field? > it was only on that one laptop, not my keyboard at school or work, not the keyboard at a friend's house, not the keyboard on my desktop, etc. Ok, so you didn't know how to do some simple keyboard remapping. How is this relevant for this conversation about an additional web input form option? > definitely commit this pattern to muscle memory for the randomsite I encounter supporting this. You don't need to commit anything, your memory can remain as blank as it is now with only some vague memory of something similar from your past, it would still work. Similarly, if it works in just 1% of input forms, it would still be an improvement... in 1% of cases. Where did you get and idea that universal adoption is a prerequisite from? Phone numpad-like mode doesn't work everywhere, still useful when it does