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It's funny, Theo de Raadt claims that Linux folks "do what they do because they hate Microsoft" whereas they do what they do "because we love UNIX", but there a

It's funny, Theo de Raadt claims that Linux folks "do what they do because they hate Microsoft" whereas they do what they do "because we love UNIX", but there are countless examples of *BSD folks dissing at Linux (like in the article) because the "superiority" of *BSDs. Even Haiku got into that bus for some reason. Not a smart way to get more users or to prove maturity, and even worse that they chose to diss their own *BSD brothers. But that's not my issue.

throwaway984393 3y ago
I always thought it was tongue in cheek, like the Goth kid making fun of the popular kid
thesuitonym 3y ago
Couple things going on here. First, BSD folks don't diss Linux, they just state the ways they believe their BSD is better. Linux folks get their identities really wrapped up in the OS they use for some reason, so that might result in hurt feelings, but most BSD users are also Linux users. Second, most BSDs (Esepecially OpenBSD) are not really interested in "getting more users." Theo is probably the biggest example of this, he would still work on OpenBSD if he was the only person using it, because he is making the OS he wants to exist.[*] Unlike Linux, Windows, and MacOS, BSDs aren't made to take over the world, they're made to be good operating systems. * Edit to add: That's not to say he's not a self-righteous asshole, but that's a different discussion.
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teleforce 3y ago
I have been following along in the early days of Linux vs BSD. Believe it or not, the main reason people especially developers flocking to Linux at the time despite the superiority claim of other BSDs of their self-evident stability and security was mainly the licensing of GPL for Linux kernel. It was a stroke of genius from Linus by adopting the GPL but he probably hardly admitting the fact. No decent open source programmer (open source terminology was defined in the midst of this) at the time were willing to compromise people ripping their codes and put them inside other commercial OS, and at the time the usual suspect was Microsoft Windows of course. This very thing happened right infront of their eyes and under their noses when Microsoft literally took the entire TCP/IP stack from FreeBSD, but as a compensation they probably hired some of the FreeBSD folks after that and this latter fact is only speculation. It is really philosophical rather than technical superiority but in technology the superior product hardly win the contest, remember Betamax and VHS?
- lproven 3y ago
  > It was a stroke of genius from Linus by adopting the GPL I agree. So does Linus: https://www.cio.com/article/238985/linus-torvalds-says-gpl-was-defining-factor-in-linuxs-success.html https://www.cio.com/article/238985/linus-torvalds-says-gpl-w... Also, important note: the GPL was not the original license he chose. It changed with v0.99. Before that it was his own licence. https://web.archive.org/web/20110721105526/https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/Historic/old-versions/RELNOTES-0.12 https://web.archive.org/web/20110721105526/https://www.kerne...
- Gud 3y ago
  I think more importantly is the lawsuit by AT&T against University of California.

throwaway984393 3y ago

I always thought it was tongue in cheek, like the Goth kid making fun of the popular kid

thesuitonym 3y ago

Couple things going on here. First, BSD folks don't diss Linux, they just state the ways they believe their BSD is better. Linux folks get their identities really wrapped up in the OS they use for some reason, so that might result in hurt feelings, but most BSD users are also Linux users. Second, most BSDs (Esepecially OpenBSD) are not really interested in "getting more users." Theo is probably the biggest example of this, he would still work on OpenBSD if he was the only person using it, because he is making the OS he wants to exist.[*] Unlike Linux, Windows, and MacOS, BSDs aren't made to take over the world, they're made to be good operating systems. * Edit to add: That's not to say he's not a self-righteous asshole, but that's a different discussion.

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teleforce 3y ago

I have been following along in the early days of Linux vs BSD. Believe it or not, the main reason people especially developers flocking to Linux at the time despite the superiority claim of other BSDs of their self-evident stability and security was mainly the licensing of GPL for Linux kernel. It was a stroke of genius from Linus by adopting the GPL but he probably hardly admitting the fact. No decent open source programmer (open source terminology was defined in the midst of this) at the time were willing to compromise people ripping their codes and put them inside other commercial OS, and at the time the usual suspect was Microsoft Windows of course. This very thing happened right infront of their eyes and under their noses when Microsoft literally took the entire TCP/IP stack from FreeBSD, but as a compensation they probably hired some of the FreeBSD folks after that and this latter fact is only speculation. It is really philosophical rather than technical superiority but in technology the superior product hardly win the contest, remember Betamax and VHS?

lproven 3y ago
> It was a stroke of genius from Linus by adopting the GPL I agree. So does Linus: https://www.cio.com/article/238985/linus-torvalds-says-gpl-was-defining-factor-in-linuxs-success.html https://www.cio.com/article/238985/linus-torvalds-says-gpl-w... Also, important note: the GPL was not the original license he chose. It changed with v0.99. Before that it was his own licence. https://web.archive.org/web/20110721105526/https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/Historic/old-versions/RELNOTES-0.12 https://web.archive.org/web/20110721105526/https://www.kerne...
Gud 3y ago
I think more importantly is the lawsuit by AT&T against University of California.