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Honestly? Better than shilling your highly processed industrialized food.

geodel 3y ago
Well people do prefer highly processed things. Consider how much loved is highly process data. There is whole (IT) industry about it.
delichon 3y ago
Yep, on the spectrum of shilling for nukes, cigarettes, sugar and blueberries, blueberry shills are relative saints.
- ethbr1 3y ago
  As long as they don't shill bananas mixed with blueberries. https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2023/FO/D3FO01599H https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2023/FO/D3FO0... Apparently the polyphenol oxidase in bananas doesn't play well with other nutrients.
  - 0xcde4c3db 3y ago
    The general term for this is "antinutrient", and their effect in real-world situations is rarely large enough to be worth the trouble of thinking about.
    - delichon 3y ago
      Several knowledgeable vegans I know believe that they have real problems with oxalates in particular. This is particularly credible among people who drink a lot of spinach based smoothies, as I once did.
      - organsnyder 3y ago
        That's still very anecdotal.
        delichon 3y ago
        Your comment follows two contradictory claims, one that anti nutrients are generally too trivial to worry about, and another that there is at least one that is. No RCT evidence is included for either. Doesn't that make both claims equally questionable? Personally my long term dietary choices have been guided by N=1 experiments on myself, a.k.a. anecdotes, that have proven to be life saving for me. Anecdotes from others are useful for suggesting such experiments on myself, in the same way that epidemiological studies are useful for suggesting RCTs.
  - galdosdi 3y ago
    That study does not match your tone, it implies that eating them together makes them very slightly less good and healthy across just one particular nutrient than they otherwise would have been separately, not that putting them together makes two healthy things combine into one unhealthy thing. That said, I'm a fan of processing as little as possible, and I imagine a fruit salad of those two things would still suffer from this effect just as the smoothie, but surely not to the same magnitude, there's just bound to be less total mixing. The bigger hedge is just to have a varied diet. All in all though it seems an oddly medium-low importance thing to bring up in context?
    - ethbr1 3y ago
      An 84% drop in specific nutrient uptake seems non-trivial, and the proposed method of action seems simple (enzymes catalyze). If you care about it, it's worth mentioning. Especially since the proposed fix is simple: eat high PPO foods (which themselves may be beneficial) at different times than foods heavy in nutrients they impact.
autoexec 3y ago
Except that it'll inflate the price of the healthy foods in order to make up the costs of all the advertising they do on social media. Too many people struggle accessing and affording healthy foods as it is.

Well people do prefer highly processed things. Consider how much loved is highly process data. There is whole (IT) industry about it.

delichon 3y ago

Yep, on the spectrum of shilling for nukes, cigarettes, sugar and blueberries, blueberry shills are relative saints.

ethbr1 3y ago
As long as they don't shill bananas mixed with blueberries. https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2023/FO/D3FO01599H https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2023/FO/D3FO0... Apparently the polyphenol oxidase in bananas doesn't play well with other nutrients.
- 0xcde4c3db 3y ago
  The general term for this is "antinutrient", and their effect in real-world situations is rarely large enough to be worth the trouble of thinking about.
  - delichon 3y ago
    Several knowledgeable vegans I know believe that they have real problems with oxalates in particular. This is particularly credible among people who drink a lot of spinach based smoothies, as I once did.
    - organsnyder 3y ago
      That's still very anecdotal.
      - delichon 3y ago
        Your comment follows two contradictory claims, one that anti nutrients are generally too trivial to worry about, and another that there is at least one that is. No RCT evidence is included for either. Doesn't that make both claims equally questionable? Personally my long term dietary choices have been guided by N=1 experiments on myself, a.k.a. anecdotes, that have proven to be life saving for me. Anecdotes from others are useful for suggesting such experiments on myself, in the same way that epidemiological studies are useful for suggesting RCTs.
- galdosdi 3y ago
  That study does not match your tone, it implies that eating them together makes them very slightly less good and healthy across just one particular nutrient than they otherwise would have been separately, not that putting them together makes two healthy things combine into one unhealthy thing. That said, I'm a fan of processing as little as possible, and I imagine a fruit salad of those two things would still suffer from this effect just as the smoothie, but surely not to the same magnitude, there's just bound to be less total mixing. The bigger hedge is just to have a varied diet. All in all though it seems an oddly medium-low importance thing to bring up in context?
  - ethbr1 3y ago
    An 84% drop in specific nutrient uptake seems non-trivial, and the proposed method of action seems simple (enzymes catalyze). If you care about it, it's worth mentioning. Especially since the proposed fix is simple: eat high PPO foods (which themselves may be beneficial) at different times than foods heavy in nutrients they impact.

autoexec 3y ago

Except that it'll inflate the price of the healthy foods in order to make up the costs of all the advertising they do on social media. Too many people struggle accessing and affording healthy foods as it is.