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One factor you aren't mentioning: EVs are a better experience overall. I love the way my EV drives (Model Y) and, there's no engine noise, and finally (this is

One factor you aren't mentioning: EVs are a better experience overall. I love the way my EV drives (Model Y) and, there's no engine noise, and finally (this is a much smaller point) I can sit in the car and run the heat or A/C w/o an idling ICE powering that.

starbugs 3y ago
That's why I considered buying one in the first place. I don't dislike EVs in general. It's just that the points I mentioned don't justify the benefits at this point for me. "A better experience overall" should include the practical and economical factors. The primary purpose of a car is to get from A to B without going financially or temporally bankrupt.
constantcrying 3y ago
The majority of the noise, even at relatively low speeds, comes from the tires. Additionally the low noise at low speed is an actual danger to pedestrians, which deserves a remedy. EVs also have significant drawbacks in usability. E.g. if you don't have person chargers or need to drive long distances. >I love the way my EV drives Which isn't a function of the electric Motor. ICE cars, especially in the Tesla price range have great suspension and steering tuning as well.
- HDThoreaun 3y ago
  EVs have much more torque than comparable ICE cars. Even the cheapest EVs out there have very high torque when compared to almost any ICE cars.
  - constantcrying 3y ago
    And? Seriously, who cares? Of the qualities of an EV this is about the least important I can imagine. Aggressive acceleration does not make or break a good car. For most people comfort is an important factor, there torque is irrelevant. Well tuned suspension, steering, high quality seats and a good infotainment system is important for that.
    - HDThoreaun 3y ago
      And some people like that. Its ok if you dont care, but that doesnt mean you can go around claiming ICE cars and EVs drive the same.
      - constantcrying 3y ago
        I didn't. I just told you that driving quality is not a unique feature of EVs. In fact most your driving experience has no relation to the engine. High torque matters for fast acceleration, which is a fine thing to enjoy, but I absolutely prefer a good suspension and handling over 3s less 0 to 100km/h.
        HDThoreaun 3y ago
        >>I love the way my EV drives >Which isn't a function of the electric Motor. If the torque is what they love it is a function of the electric motor though
        constantcrying 3y ago
        No, it isn't. Else they would just buy the motor alone, the behavior of a car is determined by much more than the motor. Even the fast acceleration is not purely the result of the motor.
        nielsbot 3y ago
        Ok--what is it a function of?
- nielsbot 3y ago
  1) Speaking for myself--the engine noise in ICE cars is noticeable. And sure, some people prefer "vroom vroom"--But I am not a "car person", so... 2) I have a home charger--Yes, I have to plug in the car every other day, but I also never have to visit a gas station again.

starbugs 3y ago

That's why I considered buying one in the first place. I don't dislike EVs in general. It's just that the points I mentioned don't justify the benefits at this point for me. "A better experience overall" should include the practical and economical factors. The primary purpose of a car is to get from A to B without going financially or temporally bankrupt.

constantcrying 3y ago

The majority of the noise, even at relatively low speeds, comes from the tires. Additionally the low noise at low speed is an actual danger to pedestrians, which deserves a remedy. EVs also have significant drawbacks in usability. E.g. if you don't have person chargers or need to drive long distances. >I love the way my EV drives Which isn't a function of the electric Motor. ICE cars, especially in the Tesla price range have great suspension and steering tuning as well.

HDThoreaun 3y ago
EVs have much more torque than comparable ICE cars. Even the cheapest EVs out there have very high torque when compared to almost any ICE cars.
- constantcrying 3y ago
  And? Seriously, who cares? Of the qualities of an EV this is about the least important I can imagine. Aggressive acceleration does not make or break a good car. For most people comfort is an important factor, there torque is irrelevant. Well tuned suspension, steering, high quality seats and a good infotainment system is important for that.
  - HDThoreaun 3y ago
    And some people like that. Its ok if you dont care, but that doesnt mean you can go around claiming ICE cars and EVs drive the same.
    - constantcrying 3y ago
      I didn't. I just told you that driving quality is not a unique feature of EVs. In fact most your driving experience has no relation to the engine. High torque matters for fast acceleration, which is a fine thing to enjoy, but I absolutely prefer a good suspension and handling over 3s less 0 to 100km/h.
      - HDThoreaun 3y ago
        >>I love the way my EV drives >Which isn't a function of the electric Motor. If the torque is what they love it is a function of the electric motor though
        constantcrying 3y ago
        No, it isn't. Else they would just buy the motor alone, the behavior of a car is determined by much more than the motor. Even the fast acceleration is not purely the result of the motor.
        nielsbot 3y ago
        Ok--what is it a function of?
nielsbot 3y ago
1) Speaking for myself--the engine noise in ICE cars is noticeable. And sure, some people prefer "vroom vroom"--But I am not a "car person", so... 2) I have a home charger--Yes, I have to plug in the car every other day, but I also never have to visit a gas station again.