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Here in the UK soon they're going to start charging 10 pounds a day for residential vehicles that aren't zero pollution, commercial vehicles a day 60 pounds a d

Here in the UK soon they're going to start charging 10 pounds a day for residential vehicles that aren't zero pollution, commercial vehicles a day 60 pounds a day. Eventually leading to ban on fossil fuel vehicles. These fines can change cross regions. Regardless of what you think of the environment, this may be less consumer driven then governmental driven by policy. Something to think about anyway.

redrove 2y ago
10 quid a day?! That's ludicrous. I don't live in the UK but I do wonder: is the infrastructure there truly ready? And does the average car owner think the whole charging time debacle is there as far as every day workability goes?
- rwmj 2y ago
  It would be ludicrous, but it's not true.
  - FloatArtifact 2y ago
    https://motorway.co.uk/sell-my-car/guides/ulez-compliant-cars https://motorway.co.uk/sell-my-car/guides/ulez-compliant-car... Again there are certain zones and fines can varie.
    - rwmj 2y ago
      That's to drive your 17+ year old car into a particular zone, nothing like what was described above.
      - FloatArtifact 2y ago
        Euro 6 diesel cars, or those produced in 2015 and prior, and Euro 4 petrol cars, or those produced 2006 or prior, have to pay £12.50 each day they enter. https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/call-for-early-ban-on-diesel-vehicles-after-fuel-sales-fall-in-london https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/call-for-early-ban-on-diese... Right 17 years... Sarcasm
        rwmj 2y ago
        You said: > Here in the UK soon they're going to start charging 10 pounds a day for residential vehicles that aren't zero pollution, commercial vehicles a day 60 pounds a day. which is plainly not true.
        FloatArtifact 2y ago
        > You said: > > > Here in the UK soon they're going to start charging 10 pounds a day for residential vehicles that aren't zero pollution, commercial vehicles a day 60 pounds a day. > > which is plainly not true. My statement holds true as this does take place in the UK. I did clarify in a follow-up post that this takes place in certain zones in the UK. You conveniently left off about the different zones your quote from the original post. The number of these zones in the UK is increasing. People are indeed being charged per day for car is much newer than 17 years old. Legislation has passed to ban sale gasoline vehicles in the UK in 2035. Legislation is driving EV sales which may not be representative the consumer. I don't disagree with improving our environment however it's hard to tease the effect this is having on the consumer choice with this type of legislation.
- samplatt 2y ago
  Charging 10 pounds a day per vehicle will certainly go a long way towards upgrading infrastructure, if that's the idea behind it. Hopefully it'll be spent appropriately.
  - deleted 2y ago
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stuaxo 2y ago
Have you got any links about that? I don't drive so haven't been keeping up.
- FloatArtifact 2y ago
  These zones are continuing to expand and there's plans to cover the EU. https://motorway.co.uk/sell-my-car/guides/ulez-compliant-cars https://motorway.co.uk/sell-my-car/guides/ulez-compliant-car... https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-10127557/All-towns-cities-Britain-planned-clean-driving-zones.html https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-10127557/Al... https://www.london.gov.uk/programmes-strategies/environment-and-climate-change/pollution-and-air-quality/ultra-low-emission-zone-ulez-london https://www.london.gov.uk/programmes-strategies/environment-... Again these fines change by district.
  - FloatArtifact 2y ago
    The push to ban gas for new cars. https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/call-for-early-ban-on-diesel-vehicles-after-fuel-sales-fall-in-london https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/call-for-early-ban-on-diese... "London introduced the ULEZ, which charges older, more polluting cars a fee to enter the city, in 2019. Euro 6 diesel cars, or those produced in 2015 and prior, and Euro 4 petrol cars, or those produced 2006 or prior, have to pay £12.50 each day they enter. T&E says that by replicating low emissions zones in cities throughout the country, the UK could enhance its energy security."
ed_blackburn 2y ago
I drive in the UK, and this is certainly news to me.
mschuster91 2y ago
I mean, I'm firmly in the pro-EV camp, but how the fuck are lower-class people not rioting in the streets daily? 3.6k a year just because you're too poor to afford a new 40k+ vehicle, and that on top of inflation and Brexit aftereffects? That's frankly insane.
- oblio 2y ago
  They're not rioting because that's probably just a rumor and rumors are a dime a dozen billion (they used to be a "dime a dozen" back when we didn't have the internet, spam bots and GenAI).
  - FloatArtifact 2y ago
    I'm not sure how you could misconstrue legislation for rumors...
    - oblio 2y ago
      Awesome, you managed to reply to my comment and yet not post a single link to the 5-6 comments calling you out for not providing a source. Edit: I've found your link. It taxes gasoline cars older than 2006 (so 18+ years old) and diesel cars older than 2018 (so 6 years old). Which is super fair since those emit a ton of particulates, why should drivers be able to poison local residents for free? There's no mention of an outright ban for ICE cars.
      - FloatArtifact 2y ago
        https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/sustainability/105032/eu-votes-favour-2035-ban-new-petrol-and-diesel-car-sales https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/sustainability/105032/eu-votes... Ban selling new gas vehicles is 2035.
        FloatArtifact 2y ago
        My original comment was the state mandates/tax legislation maybe significant contribute to sales.
flipbrad 2y ago
[Citation needed]
- FloatArtifact 2y ago
  See above
brnt 2y ago
Here in the NL they'll soon lift the road tax exemption for e-vehicles, and since it's weight based, EV-owners are going to pay, and fuel vehicles will become more interesting again.
- Ekaros 2y ago
  I'm am pretty certain that EVs won't end up being much cheaper than ICE cars. Finland cars in general have high tax burden. And you have to fund the roads from somewhere. If you can't separate electricity at home it means adding taxes on EVs in some other way...
- aitchnyu 2y ago
  Does the tax scale to first power of weight or the fourth?
  - brnt 2y ago
    IMHO unfortunately (but I'm no EV owner) not. But enough to suddenly cost you at least a thousand euros/year extra.
contextnavidad 2y ago
Source? There is a similar charge in London, that's all I know of
- FloatArtifact 2y ago
  > Source? There is a similar charge in London, that's all I know of https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-10127557/All-towns-cities-Britain-planned-clean-driving-zones.html https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-10127557/Al...

redrove 2y ago

10 quid a day?! That's ludicrous. I don't live in the UK but I do wonder: is the infrastructure there truly ready? And does the average car owner think the whole charging time debacle is there as far as every day workability goes?

rwmj 2y ago
It would be ludicrous, but it's not true.
- FloatArtifact 2y ago
  https://motorway.co.uk/sell-my-car/guides/ulez-compliant-cars https://motorway.co.uk/sell-my-car/guides/ulez-compliant-car... Again there are certain zones and fines can varie.
  - rwmj 2y ago
    That's to drive your 17+ year old car into a particular zone, nothing like what was described above.
    - FloatArtifact 2y ago
      Euro 6 diesel cars, or those produced in 2015 and prior, and Euro 4 petrol cars, or those produced 2006 or prior, have to pay £12.50 each day they enter. https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/call-for-early-ban-on-diesel-vehicles-after-fuel-sales-fall-in-london https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/call-for-early-ban-on-diese... Right 17 years... Sarcasm
      - rwmj 2y ago
        You said: > Here in the UK soon they're going to start charging 10 pounds a day for residential vehicles that aren't zero pollution, commercial vehicles a day 60 pounds a day. which is plainly not true.
        FloatArtifact 2y ago
        > You said: > > > Here in the UK soon they're going to start charging 10 pounds a day for residential vehicles that aren't zero pollution, commercial vehicles a day 60 pounds a day. > > which is plainly not true. My statement holds true as this does take place in the UK. I did clarify in a follow-up post that this takes place in certain zones in the UK. You conveniently left off about the different zones your quote from the original post. The number of these zones in the UK is increasing. People are indeed being charged per day for car is much newer than 17 years old. Legislation has passed to ban sale gasoline vehicles in the UK in 2035. Legislation is driving EV sales which may not be representative the consumer. I don't disagree with improving our environment however it's hard to tease the effect this is having on the consumer choice with this type of legislation.
samplatt 2y ago
Charging 10 pounds a day per vehicle will certainly go a long way towards upgrading infrastructure, if that's the idea behind it. Hopefully it'll be spent appropriately.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]

stuaxo 2y ago

Have you got any links about that? I don't drive so haven't been keeping up.

FloatArtifact 2y ago
These zones are continuing to expand and there's plans to cover the EU. https://motorway.co.uk/sell-my-car/guides/ulez-compliant-cars https://motorway.co.uk/sell-my-car/guides/ulez-compliant-car... https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-10127557/All-towns-cities-Britain-planned-clean-driving-zones.html https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-10127557/Al... https://www.london.gov.uk/programmes-strategies/environment-and-climate-change/pollution-and-air-quality/ultra-low-emission-zone-ulez-london https://www.london.gov.uk/programmes-strategies/environment-... Again these fines change by district.
- FloatArtifact 2y ago
  The push to ban gas for new cars. https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/call-for-early-ban-on-diesel-vehicles-after-fuel-sales-fall-in-london https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/call-for-early-ban-on-diese... "London introduced the ULEZ, which charges older, more polluting cars a fee to enter the city, in 2019. Euro 6 diesel cars, or those produced in 2015 and prior, and Euro 4 petrol cars, or those produced 2006 or prior, have to pay £12.50 each day they enter. T&E says that by replicating low emissions zones in cities throughout the country, the UK could enhance its energy security."

ed_blackburn 2y ago

I drive in the UK, and this is certainly news to me.

mschuster91 2y ago

I mean, I'm firmly in the pro-EV camp, but how the fuck are lower-class people not rioting in the streets daily? 3.6k a year just because you're too poor to afford a new 40k+ vehicle, and that on top of inflation and Brexit aftereffects? That's frankly insane.

oblio 2y ago
They're not rioting because that's probably just a rumor and rumors are a dime a dozen billion (they used to be a "dime a dozen" back when we didn't have the internet, spam bots and GenAI).
- FloatArtifact 2y ago
  I'm not sure how you could misconstrue legislation for rumors...
  - oblio 2y ago
    Awesome, you managed to reply to my comment and yet not post a single link to the 5-6 comments calling you out for not providing a source. Edit: I've found your link. It taxes gasoline cars older than 2006 (so 18+ years old) and diesel cars older than 2018 (so 6 years old). Which is super fair since those emit a ton of particulates, why should drivers be able to poison local residents for free? There's no mention of an outright ban for ICE cars.
    - FloatArtifact 2y ago
      https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/sustainability/105032/eu-votes-favour-2035-ban-new-petrol-and-diesel-car-sales https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/sustainability/105032/eu-votes... Ban selling new gas vehicles is 2035.
      - FloatArtifact 2y ago
        My original comment was the state mandates/tax legislation maybe significant contribute to sales.

flipbrad 2y ago

[Citation needed]

FloatArtifact 2y ago
See above

brnt 2y ago

Here in the NL they'll soon lift the road tax exemption for e-vehicles, and since it's weight based, EV-owners are going to pay, and fuel vehicles will become more interesting again.

Ekaros 2y ago
I'm am pretty certain that EVs won't end up being much cheaper than ICE cars. Finland cars in general have high tax burden. And you have to fund the roads from somewhere. If you can't separate electricity at home it means adding taxes on EVs in some other way...
aitchnyu 2y ago
Does the tax scale to first power of weight or the fourth?
- brnt 2y ago
  IMHO unfortunately (but I'm no EV owner) not. But enough to suddenly cost you at least a thousand euros/year extra.

contextnavidad 2y ago

Source? There is a similar charge in London, that's all I know of

FloatArtifact 2y ago
> Source? There is a similar charge in London, that's all I know of https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-10127557/All-towns-cities-Britain-planned-clean-driving-zones.html https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-10127557/Al...