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They might not want to kill them, but the track record of Arab countries in the middle east regarding Jewish population is not good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi

by creato 2y ago

They might not want to kill them, but the track record of Arab countries in the middle east regarding Jewish population is not good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world#Table_of_the_Jewish_population_in_Muslim_countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_... Do you really expect a hypothetical Palestine to be any different?

edanm 2y ago
> Do you really expect a hypothetical Palestine to be any different? Depends on a lot of factors. I think there is definitely a path by which a peaceful neighborly Palestine can be created, though it will likely take a long time. And btw, many of these Arab neighbors now have peace with Israel, that has held for a long time. Including this week helping defend Israel against Iranian missiles. Not something anyone would've thought possible in the past, now it's reality. A reality that Israel would do well to internalize, instead of thinking of itself as a lone state surrounded by enemies.
- SpaceGlow 2y ago
  There is a path to coexistence, but it needs to overcome a lot of malevolence present on the side of Arab nationalism and political Islam. Currently, violent extremists are setting the tone when it comes to public opinion, and the governements are somewhere in the middle between turning a blind eye and qctively promoting the hate. The right-wing hardliners in Israel also promote a similar dynamic, they are strongly opposed by the state establishment and most of the public, but it seems like the extremists on both sides make each other stronger while dragging the two nations to hell. Yet, the kind of black and white thinking the villifies Israel and naively promote appeasement and pacifism with genocidial terrorists could only lead to a hugh storm of violence and suffering, that may or may not end with the destruction of Israel in the most violent way possible. Egypt had 66,000 Jews before 1948. A peace agreement was reached in 1979. Yet almost none came back to live in Egypt. Jews and Israelis were very afraid to live in Egypt after the peace. Only in recent years A-Sisi started to do some work to replenish synagogoues and care for the country's very long Jewish legacy, probably as part of his policy against extremism. A Two-State solution could work in some constellation. a one state solution I see as leading to massacre and banishment of most of the Jews in the land.
  - jedimind 2y ago
    > "There is a path to coexistence, but it needs to overcome a lot of malevolence present on the side of Arab nationalism and political Islam." I doubt that you can provide evidence for your biased statements with full context of the history of Zionism and its crimes against the natives of the region. "Islam saved Jewry. This is an unpopular, discomforting claim in the modern world. But it is a historical truth." - David Wasserstein https://jewishstudies.stanford.edu/events/david-wasserstein-how-islam-saved-jews https://jewishstudies.stanford.edu/events/david-wasserstein-...
jedimind 2y ago
That "track record" was a direct response to the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by the Zionist colonizers. If one studies history in detail and nuance I'd say the Arabs have a much better track record than anyone else esp. Europe. "Islam saved Jewry. This is an unpopular, discomforting claim in the modern world. But it is a historical truth." - David Wasserstein https://jewishstudies.stanford.edu/events/david-wasserstein-how-islam-saved-jews https://jewishstudies.stanford.edu/events/david-wasserstein-...

by creato 2y ago

edanm 2y ago

> Do you really expect a hypothetical Palestine to be any different? Depends on a lot of factors. I think there is definitely a path by which a peaceful neighborly Palestine can be created, though it will likely take a long time. And btw, many of these Arab neighbors now have peace with Israel, that has held for a long time. Including this week helping defend Israel against Iranian missiles. Not something anyone would've thought possible in the past, now it's reality. A reality that Israel would do well to internalize, instead of thinking of itself as a lone state surrounded by enemies.

SpaceGlow 2y ago
There is a path to coexistence, but it needs to overcome a lot of malevolence present on the side of Arab nationalism and political Islam. Currently, violent extremists are setting the tone when it comes to public opinion, and the governements are somewhere in the middle between turning a blind eye and qctively promoting the hate. The right-wing hardliners in Israel also promote a similar dynamic, they are strongly opposed by the state establishment and most of the public, but it seems like the extremists on both sides make each other stronger while dragging the two nations to hell. Yet, the kind of black and white thinking the villifies Israel and naively promote appeasement and pacifism with genocidial terrorists could only lead to a hugh storm of violence and suffering, that may or may not end with the destruction of Israel in the most violent way possible. Egypt had 66,000 Jews before 1948. A peace agreement was reached in 1979. Yet almost none came back to live in Egypt. Jews and Israelis were very afraid to live in Egypt after the peace. Only in recent years A-Sisi started to do some work to replenish synagogoues and care for the country's very long Jewish legacy, probably as part of his policy against extremism. A Two-State solution could work in some constellation. a one state solution I see as leading to massacre and banishment of most of the Jews in the land.
- jedimind 2y ago
  > "There is a path to coexistence, but it needs to overcome a lot of malevolence present on the side of Arab nationalism and political Islam." I doubt that you can provide evidence for your biased statements with full context of the history of Zionism and its crimes against the natives of the region. "Islam saved Jewry. This is an unpopular, discomforting claim in the modern world. But it is a historical truth." - David Wasserstein https://jewishstudies.stanford.edu/events/david-wasserstein-how-islam-saved-jews https://jewishstudies.stanford.edu/events/david-wasserstein-...

jedimind 2y ago

That "track record" was a direct response to the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by the Zionist colonizers. If one studies history in detail and nuance I'd say the Arabs have a much better track record than anyone else esp. Europe. "Islam saved Jewry. This is an unpopular, discomforting claim in the modern world. But it is a historical truth." - David Wasserstein https://jewishstudies.stanford.edu/events/david-wasserstein-how-islam-saved-jews https://jewishstudies.stanford.edu/events/david-wasserstein-...