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Relax, this was commonly done in baby swimming lessons in Switzerland. Not that big of a deal

by Faaak 2y ago

lynx23 2y ago
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- serial_dev 2y ago
  FGM is totally the same as letting your child in the water for three seconds.
  - lynx23 2y ago
    Its not the same, and I never claimed it is. However, in both cases, parents seem to think its not a big deal, and its "commonly done" in a whole country, whatever that is worth. Which is my point. Just because something is a common practice in some country, doesn't make it healthy or good.
  - twixfel 2y ago
    Actually if FGM is torture and intentionally drowning your child just to see what it looks like is surely also torture then I’d argue they really aren’t so different, no, although one may be worse than the other.
mns 2y ago
They did this to me while I was 6 or 7 and my parents sent me to swimming lessons. Instructor threw me in an olympic sized poll while I had no clue on how to swim. Took me 30 years and a private instructor to get back and actually learn to swim. Great times. :)
rebuilder 2y ago
Maybe it’s different in Switzerland, but when I took our baby to baby swimming, it did not involve just suddenly throwing the child into the water.
- ygra 2y ago
  Baby swimming here (Germany) included not throwing them in the water, but placing them underwater manually for a short time; basically a very short dive. This works for infants because they have a reflex where they stop breathing when water hits their face. However, reading up on that now, the fun thing seems to be that no one can reliably tell when that reflex stops. Could be a few months, could be just a few weeks, so the recommendation is to just not do it. TIL. In any case, throwing a child in the water should just not be done. Period.
imperfect_light 2y ago
How is that a counterargument? "Relax, parents regularly beat their kids with sticks for centuries and they were fine.."
- smeej 2y ago
  Every time I hear this (my dad is a firm believer, for example, not you, parent commenter), I just ask if we have the same definition of "fine," because we're talking about whether it's OK to hit a child with a stick and they've taken "pro," so I'm not sure we do. If it's not OK to hit an adult with a stick, it's not OK to hit a child with a stick! And it boggles my mind that this requires explanation.

Relax, this was commonly done in baby swimming lessons in Switzerland. Not that big of a deal

by Faaak 2y ago

Relax, this was commonly done in baby swimming lessons in Switzerland. Not that big of a deal

lynx23 2y ago

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serial_dev 2y ago
FGM is totally the same as letting your child in the water for three seconds.
- lynx23 2y ago
  Its not the same, and I never claimed it is. However, in both cases, parents seem to think its not a big deal, and its "commonly done" in a whole country, whatever that is worth. Which is my point. Just because something is a common practice in some country, doesn't make it healthy or good.
- twixfel 2y ago
  Actually if FGM is torture and intentionally drowning your child just to see what it looks like is surely also torture then I’d argue they really aren’t so different, no, although one may be worse than the other.

mns 2y ago

They did this to me while I was 6 or 7 and my parents sent me to swimming lessons. Instructor threw me in an olympic sized poll while I had no clue on how to swim. Took me 30 years and a private instructor to get back and actually learn to swim. Great times. :)

rebuilder 2y ago

Maybe it’s different in Switzerland, but when I took our baby to baby swimming, it did not involve just suddenly throwing the child into the water.

ygra 2y ago
Baby swimming here (Germany) included not throwing them in the water, but placing them underwater manually for a short time; basically a very short dive. This works for infants because they have a reflex where they stop breathing when water hits their face. However, reading up on that now, the fun thing seems to be that no one can reliably tell when that reflex stops. Could be a few months, could be just a few weeks, so the recommendation is to just not do it. TIL. In any case, throwing a child in the water should just not be done. Period.

imperfect_light 2y ago

How is that a counterargument? "Relax, parents regularly beat their kids with sticks for centuries and they were fine.."

smeej 2y ago
Every time I hear this (my dad is a firm believer, for example, not you, parent commenter), I just ask if we have the same definition of "fine," because we're talking about whether it's OK to hit a child with a stick and they've taken "pro," so I'm not sure we do. If it's not OK to hit an adult with a stick, it's not OK to hit a child with a stick! And it boggles my mind that this requires explanation.