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Here in western europe IQ tests are unheard of. I never met anyone (people at work, family members, close friends, acquaintances, etc.) who has taken such a tes

by dakiol 3y ago

Here in western europe IQ tests are unheard of. I never met anyone (people at work, family members, close friends, acquaintances, etc.) who has taken such a test.

dijit 3y ago
You have to take an IQ test as part of an ADHD diagnosis. I genuinely don't know why, but you do have to.
- yial 3y ago
  This is not correct. At least not in the U.S. as a whole. It may of course be true where you are. The DSM does not even suggest an IQ test as part of the diagnostic. Knowing 6+ people in several states with ADHD diagnoses (some as children, some as adults) none have had anything beyond questions with their physician… or diagnoses by a psychiatrist after starting therapy for a different issue. https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/diagnosis.html https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/diagnosis.html https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK519712/table/ch3.t3/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK519712/table/ch3.t3/ https://add.org/adhd-dsm-5-criteria/ https://add.org/adhd-dsm-5-criteria/
- rvense 3y ago
  Erh, where in the world?
  - dijit 3y ago
    Evidently I am an outlier? I was asked to do it twice as part of ADHD diagnosis. Once in the UK as a pre/early teen (2003~), and once in Sweden to be rediagnosed via a private company named Modigo (so, now I am not sure if it's standard as part of the healthcare system here). Since I was 2/2 and that was 100% of my experiences throughout two countries, I thought it was the standard.
- sph 3y ago
  I got diagnosed for ADHD in 2021 and nobody asked me to do an IQ test. In fact, no one has ever asked me to do one in my entire life. Your anecdote is not data. Also makes no sense whatsoever as ADHD does not affect IQ in any form. It's a form of dopamine dysregulation, not a learning disability. Let's stop perpetuating this stupid myth.
  - kadkadels 3y ago
    It does affect concentration and if an IQ test goes on for long enough and is not interesting enough to warrant some kind of hyperfocus, I get distracted. And so my IQ score will be worse. Or not? I have ADHD and it doesn't make me dumber, but since focus is a critical part of thinking, it does make it harder if I'm not interested. I'd rather say that IQ tests are designed for neurotypical people.
    - sph 3y ago
      IQ is not concentration. In fact, IQ or intelligence in general does not have a single accepted definition†. You are not "stupider" because you have no patience to sit down to concentrate to do a silly test. Nor you are "smarter" because you found it so engaging you hyperfocused and did it in one sitting. IQ tests are designed by people that want to create automatons easy to quantify and categorize. † My definition of intelligence is "ability to solve novel problems." With this definition, an uncontacted tribesperson can be as intelligent as a Nobel prize winner. The difference is education, and the type of problems they're facing, which is just a matter of context.
    - bryanrasmussen 3y ago
      I have ADHD and I do great on IQ tests, each question is a little thing to answer, I move quickly through them and get a quick dopamine hit. If there is something difficult then I can get stuck there and thrown off my rhythm, but this seldom happens.
Toutouxc 3y ago
(Czech Republic) I took one in high school, it was optional and paid, but sort of organized by the school. I think we took it instead of some morning classes. I got an official-looking Mensa application form attached to the results, so I think it was pretty legit. (never applied though)
jaynetics 3y ago
Western Europe is a big place. I guess it also depends on whether you only count tests conducted in a professional setting. Here in Germany, i guess at least 20% of people between 20 and 40 have taken some kind of IQ test, e.g. online. Not everyone might admit it because it could come of as a little "vain", but there are even IQ test shows on popular TV channels (Sat 1, RTL 2) where the viewers do the test. They run them at primetime every few years.
ginko 3y ago
Pretty much every adult male in Austria did an IQ test during draft inspection.
ahazred8ta 3y ago
Try the British Army Cognitive Test https://www.google.com/search?q=british+army+cognitive+test https://www.google.com/search?q=british+army+cognitive+test , the Danish draft board's Børge Priens Prøve (BPP), and any other european country with an induction test for military recruits.

by dakiol 3y ago

Here in western europe IQ tests are unheard of. I never met anyone (people at work, family members, close friends, acquaintances, etc.) who has taken such a test.

dijit 3y ago

You have to take an IQ test as part of an ADHD diagnosis. I genuinely don't know why, but you do have to.

yial 3y ago
This is not correct. At least not in the U.S. as a whole. It may of course be true where you are. The DSM does not even suggest an IQ test as part of the diagnostic. Knowing 6+ people in several states with ADHD diagnoses (some as children, some as adults) none have had anything beyond questions with their physician… or diagnoses by a psychiatrist after starting therapy for a different issue. https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/diagnosis.html https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/diagnosis.html https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK519712/table/ch3.t3/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK519712/table/ch3.t3/ https://add.org/adhd-dsm-5-criteria/ https://add.org/adhd-dsm-5-criteria/
rvense 3y ago
Erh, where in the world?
- dijit 3y ago
  Evidently I am an outlier? I was asked to do it twice as part of ADHD diagnosis. Once in the UK as a pre/early teen (2003~), and once in Sweden to be rediagnosed via a private company named Modigo (so, now I am not sure if it's standard as part of the healthcare system here). Since I was 2/2 and that was 100% of my experiences throughout two countries, I thought it was the standard.
sph 3y ago
I got diagnosed for ADHD in 2021 and nobody asked me to do an IQ test. In fact, no one has ever asked me to do one in my entire life. Your anecdote is not data. Also makes no sense whatsoever as ADHD does not affect IQ in any form. It's a form of dopamine dysregulation, not a learning disability. Let's stop perpetuating this stupid myth.
- kadkadels 3y ago
  It does affect concentration and if an IQ test goes on for long enough and is not interesting enough to warrant some kind of hyperfocus, I get distracted. And so my IQ score will be worse. Or not? I have ADHD and it doesn't make me dumber, but since focus is a critical part of thinking, it does make it harder if I'm not interested. I'd rather say that IQ tests are designed for neurotypical people.
  - sph 3y ago
    IQ is not concentration. In fact, IQ or intelligence in general does not have a single accepted definition†. You are not "stupider" because you have no patience to sit down to concentrate to do a silly test. Nor you are "smarter" because you found it so engaging you hyperfocused and did it in one sitting. IQ tests are designed by people that want to create automatons easy to quantify and categorize. † My definition of intelligence is "ability to solve novel problems." With this definition, an uncontacted tribesperson can be as intelligent as a Nobel prize winner. The difference is education, and the type of problems they're facing, which is just a matter of context.
  - bryanrasmussen 3y ago
    I have ADHD and I do great on IQ tests, each question is a little thing to answer, I move quickly through them and get a quick dopamine hit. If there is something difficult then I can get stuck there and thrown off my rhythm, but this seldom happens.

Toutouxc 3y ago

(Czech Republic) I took one in high school, it was optional and paid, but sort of organized by the school. I think we took it instead of some morning classes. I got an official-looking Mensa application form attached to the results, so I think it was pretty legit. (never applied though)

jaynetics 3y ago

Western Europe is a big place. I guess it also depends on whether you only count tests conducted in a professional setting. Here in Germany, i guess at least 20% of people between 20 and 40 have taken some kind of IQ test, e.g. online. Not everyone might admit it because it could come of as a little "vain", but there are even IQ test shows on popular TV channels (Sat 1, RTL 2) where the viewers do the test. They run them at primetime every few years.

ginko 3y ago

Pretty much every adult male in Austria did an IQ test during draft inspection.

ahazred8ta 3y ago

Try the British Army Cognitive Test https://www.google.com/search?q=british+army+cognitive+test https://www.google.com/search?q=british+army+cognitive+test , the Danish draft board's Børge Priens Prøve (BPP), and any other european country with an induction test for military recruits.