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AI generating realistic nude images from normal images will further these things. Because then there will be nudes for everyone, it will be impossible to prove

by chr1 2y ago

AI generating realistic nude images from normal images will further these things. Because then there will be nudes for everyone, it will be impossible to prove what is real and what is fake, and therefore pointlessness of chasing of 'illegal" numbers will become obvious to more people.

DoreenMichele 2y ago
My knee-jerk reaction is that probably some people know what you look like naked. So one means to check: If it's recent, compare it to your actual body. On the other hand, bodies change over time, so it gets easier to say "That 10 year old pic? No, not real." (Unless it's extremely attractive. Then enthuse about how gorgeous you once were, I guess, and see if people buy that.)
marcus_holmes 2y ago
This is going to make this kind of racket more common, and also provide some kind of defence if it goes wrong: "they're fakes" will be more believable. But it takes some serious mental resilience to contemplate that as a teenager when someone is threatening to send your nudes to the people you love. Not many kids are going to have that kind of intestinal fortitude. The tendency of porn to give men severe anxiety about their genitals is playing into this; kids are more embarrassed/ashamed about their bodies because all the other penises they've seen are so huge. We need to get really cool about a whole bunch of stuff really quickly if we're going to make this (and other problems) go away. I don't think AI is going to be part of that.
- ta1243 2y ago
  > kids are more embarrassed/ashamed about their bodies because all the other penises they've seen are so huge. And this is the problem. In years past kids would be naked with other kids, when changing after gym for example. Nowadays the only penis a boy sees is his own and that of porn people, because we've made normal nude situations extremely rare, especially outside of the context of sex.
  - rightbyte 2y ago
    Don't childen shower together anymore after gym classes?
    - delfinom 2y ago
      Nope, the only kids that used the showers in my high school were the ones after their sports training after school.
    - dmd 2y ago
      We certainly didn’t in my public school in the 1980s; they’d stopped doing that by the late 70s. (NYC suburbs)
    - HaZeust 2y ago
      Nope; but to be fair, I also think it's better without it - especially in a post-smartphone era where everyone has a camera in their pocket. The repercussions are just not worth it.
  - marcus_holmes 2y ago
    This. The whole "you westerners are weird about your bodies because you didn't get to see your grandma's tits when you were kids" thing. We need to normalise nudity as non-sexual, especially within families.

by chr1 2y ago

DoreenMichele 2y ago

My knee-jerk reaction is that probably some people know what you look like naked. So one means to check: If it's recent, compare it to your actual body. On the other hand, bodies change over time, so it gets easier to say "That 10 year old pic? No, not real." (Unless it's extremely attractive. Then enthuse about how gorgeous you once were, I guess, and see if people buy that.)

marcus_holmes 2y ago

This is going to make this kind of racket more common, and also provide some kind of defence if it goes wrong: "they're fakes" will be more believable. But it takes some serious mental resilience to contemplate that as a teenager when someone is threatening to send your nudes to the people you love. Not many kids are going to have that kind of intestinal fortitude. The tendency of porn to give men severe anxiety about their genitals is playing into this; kids are more embarrassed/ashamed about their bodies because all the other penises they've seen are so huge. We need to get really cool about a whole bunch of stuff really quickly if we're going to make this (and other problems) go away. I don't think AI is going to be part of that.

ta1243 2y ago
> kids are more embarrassed/ashamed about their bodies because all the other penises they've seen are so huge. And this is the problem. In years past kids would be naked with other kids, when changing after gym for example. Nowadays the only penis a boy sees is his own and that of porn people, because we've made normal nude situations extremely rare, especially outside of the context of sex.
- rightbyte 2y ago
  Don't childen shower together anymore after gym classes?
  - delfinom 2y ago
    Nope, the only kids that used the showers in my high school were the ones after their sports training after school.
  - dmd 2y ago
    We certainly didn’t in my public school in the 1980s; they’d stopped doing that by the late 70s. (NYC suburbs)
  - HaZeust 2y ago
    Nope; but to be fair, I also think it's better without it - especially in a post-smartphone era where everyone has a camera in their pocket. The repercussions are just not worth it.
- marcus_holmes 2y ago
  This. The whole "you westerners are weird about your bodies because you didn't get to see your grandma's tits when you were kids" thing. We need to normalise nudity as non-sexual, especially within families.