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> They didn't have a choice. They had a shitload of nukes. That gives you a lot of choices. They just sadly chose wrong thinking that the world is better of wi

by dtx1 2y ago

> They didn't have a choice. They had a shitload of nukes. That gives you a lot of choices. They just sadly chose wrong thinking that the world is better of with them not having them. Should have kept a few.

azinman2 2y ago
And do you think if they had they’d have nuked Russia by now? And then what?
- rapidaneurism 2y ago
  The whole point of nuclear weapons is that people don't attack you because you will use them. So if they had them Russia would not have attacked.
  - dtx1 2y ago
    I think russia would have attacked crimea as they did but the extended war would have stopped. Ukraine could for example use smaller nuclear weapons to attack military infrastructure like the crimean bridge, railway infrastructure etc. I'm not advocating large scale nuclear war but a doctrine like france has https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_de_dissuasion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_de_dissuasion
jajko 2y ago
Lesson to be learned - never, ever trust russia as a state, it was and always will be source of subversion and various forms of attacks to anything representing freedom and democracy. Rule of law is a joke there, truth is an insult, the only thing matters who is currently stronger. Words, written or spoken are just tools to use and then abandon at convenience. Basically how mafia hierarchy and politics works. Not sure how world should treat it post this war (barring it won't turn into WW 3), but never, ever as equal, always expect treachery. Enough lessons at this point.
- vbezhenar 2y ago
  The funny thing is that many Russian people thinking exactly the same about western countries. Putin underlined multiple times, how European leaders fooled him, again and again, signing contracts and making promises just to break them next day. And this narrative basically everywhere. I don't think that Russians will hate Europeans in general, but they certainly will not trust European politicians for a long way to come. So this will be mutual. China and some other countries, on the other hand, are considered trustworthy partners who play by rules.
  - monkeyfun 2y ago
    Do you have any good examples of what you mentioned with either those contract or especially Putin mentioning specific ones? I'm quite curious.
  - mmaniac 2y ago
    The funny thing is that anyone thinks that the concepts of rule of law, sanctity of truth, and right over might concretely exist anywhere, and aren't just notional components of a legitimizing narrative. We have all lived through 2020 here.

by dtx1 2y ago

azinman2 2y ago

And do you think if they had they’d have nuked Russia by now? And then what?

rapidaneurism 2y ago
The whole point of nuclear weapons is that people don't attack you because you will use them. So if they had them Russia would not have attacked.
- dtx1 2y ago
  I think russia would have attacked crimea as they did but the extended war would have stopped. Ukraine could for example use smaller nuclear weapons to attack military infrastructure like the crimean bridge, railway infrastructure etc. I'm not advocating large scale nuclear war but a doctrine like france has https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_de_dissuasion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_de_dissuasion

jajko 2y ago

Lesson to be learned - never, ever trust russia as a state, it was and always will be source of subversion and various forms of attacks to anything representing freedom and democracy. Rule of law is a joke there, truth is an insult, the only thing matters who is currently stronger. Words, written or spoken are just tools to use and then abandon at convenience. Basically how mafia hierarchy and politics works. Not sure how world should treat it post this war (barring it won't turn into WW 3), but never, ever as equal, always expect treachery. Enough lessons at this point.

vbezhenar 2y ago
The funny thing is that many Russian people thinking exactly the same about western countries. Putin underlined multiple times, how European leaders fooled him, again and again, signing contracts and making promises just to break them next day. And this narrative basically everywhere. I don't think that Russians will hate Europeans in general, but they certainly will not trust European politicians for a long way to come. So this will be mutual. China and some other countries, on the other hand, are considered trustworthy partners who play by rules.
- monkeyfun 2y ago
  Do you have any good examples of what you mentioned with either those contract or especially Putin mentioning specific ones? I'm quite curious.
- mmaniac 2y ago
  The funny thing is that anyone thinks that the concepts of rule of law, sanctity of truth, and right over might concretely exist anywhere, and aren't just notional components of a legitimizing narrative. We have all lived through 2020 here.