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Well, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free is indeed antisemitic... because Israel separates West Bank (the river) from Gaza (the sea). Wanting Pal

by dh2022 3y ago

Well, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free is indeed antisemitic... because Israel separates West Bank (the river) from Gaza (the sea). Wanting Palestine to be free from West Bank to Gaza means that Israeli state be broken up - which is antisemitic.... Denying someone employment because of their political views is not punishment...

tsimionescu 3y ago
It is not antisemitic to want the borders of Israel to change (if that is how you interpret the song). Just as much as it is not anti-arab or anti-Muslim to want the Palestinian territories to stay disconnected as they are today.
- dh2022 3y ago
  First of all - this is how the song is interpreted by most of the people. Second of all - if you really believe changing Israel's borders is not an act against Jewish people (and thus antisemitic) you and I cannot agree on anything. Freedom to agree to disagree....
  - tsimionescu 3y ago
    I think it's extremely important to separate opinions on Israel, a sovereign state where both Jewish people and Arabs and other ethnicities live and are welcome, from opinions on Jewish people. Many Jewish people around the world and inside Israel in fact are strongly against Israel's actions. Some even participate in BDS or other protest movements, even calling for sanctions of Israel. Similarly, many people oppose the USA's actions. Some Texans even want to secede, affecting the borders of the USA. That doesn't make them antisemitic (even though the majority of the world's Jewish population outside Israel lives in the USA), nor anti-caucasian, nor anti-black, nor anti-hispanic (though of course some of them could also be some of these things). There really is no rational reason to say that opposing Israel's actions or wanting it to accommodate certain borders for the Palestinian territories is antisemitic. It is anti-Israel and that's it.
cess11 3y ago
Equating judaism with the state of Israel is quite antisemitic. Being of the opinion that the state of Israel is illegitimate or should stop colonialising its neighbours isn't necessarily an antisemitic position, though some antisemites might surely agree. Many others will however stick to the mainstream zionist opinion that jews should be relocated from their home countries to an israeli territory in the Middle East.
- dh2022 3y ago
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int_19h 3y ago
There are quite a few (mostly religious) Jews who believe that the State of Israel should not exist because it is an offense against God. Are they antisemitic?

by dh2022 3y ago

tsimionescu 3y ago

It is not antisemitic to want the borders of Israel to change (if that is how you interpret the song). Just as much as it is not anti-arab or anti-Muslim to want the Palestinian territories to stay disconnected as they are today.

dh2022 3y ago
First of all - this is how the song is interpreted by most of the people. Second of all - if you really believe changing Israel's borders is not an act against Jewish people (and thus antisemitic) you and I cannot agree on anything. Freedom to agree to disagree....
- tsimionescu 3y ago
  I think it's extremely important to separate opinions on Israel, a sovereign state where both Jewish people and Arabs and other ethnicities live and are welcome, from opinions on Jewish people. Many Jewish people around the world and inside Israel in fact are strongly against Israel's actions. Some even participate in BDS or other protest movements, even calling for sanctions of Israel. Similarly, many people oppose the USA's actions. Some Texans even want to secede, affecting the borders of the USA. That doesn't make them antisemitic (even though the majority of the world's Jewish population outside Israel lives in the USA), nor anti-caucasian, nor anti-black, nor anti-hispanic (though of course some of them could also be some of these things). There really is no rational reason to say that opposing Israel's actions or wanting it to accommodate certain borders for the Palestinian territories is antisemitic. It is anti-Israel and that's it.

cess11 3y ago

Equating judaism with the state of Israel is quite antisemitic. Being of the opinion that the state of Israel is illegitimate or should stop colonialising its neighbours isn't necessarily an antisemitic position, though some antisemites might surely agree. Many others will however stick to the mainstream zionist opinion that jews should be relocated from their home countries to an israeli territory in the Middle East.

dh2022 3y ago
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int_19h 3y ago

There are quite a few (mostly religious) Jews who believe that the State of Israel should not exist because it is an offense against God. Are they antisemitic?