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yeah, I don't love it it seems to be making new map data under a permissive licence instead of openstreetmap's copyleft one, which makes it possible to coopt t

yeah, I don't love it it seems to be making new map data under a permissive licence instead of openstreetmap's copyleft one, which makes it possible to coopt the work of volunteers

yorwba 3y ago
Looks like the only permissively licensed part is the "Places" dataset provided by Meta and Microsoft https://docs.overturemaps.org/release-notes/data-attribution/ https://docs.overturemaps.org/release-notes/data-attribution... so the volunteers being coopted are e.g. people who made a Facebook page for their business?
- spencerflem 3y ago
  Any new data not in OSM is under a separate dataset and not under a copyleft license, so anyone contributing to that in the future means that their data might be used in a proprietary map. In general, this seems to be more aimed as a corporate-friendly replacement of OSM where instead of volunteers, its companies with satellite data and phone data and AIs and only the end result is shared, not the process. So you're right that its not really being unfair to the OSM community whose data they seem to only reluctantly want (because it's copyleft) and have kept as such. I am worried though that if if this gets popular, that OSM will be starved for funding and contributors
  - cowsandmilk 3y ago
    > anyone contributing to that in the future means that their data might be used in a proprietary map But overture doesn’t generally allow the type of contributions OSM allows. There is no volunteer to map out a set of houses or streets. Allowed types of contributions are large mapping datasets, typically of the type explicitly disallowed from being imported to OSM.
    - timeon 3y ago
      Sorry this is beyond your point, which stands correct, I just want to nitpick: > Allowed types of contributions are large mapping datasets, typically of the type explicitly disallowed from being imported to OSM. Depends on license. There are mass imports in OSM.
    - 1oooqooq 3y ago
      > But overture doesn’t generally allow the type of contributions OSM allows. this is cyclical. the data they contribute is generated by people who freely contributed this data to Microsoft et al. then Microsoft takes ownership of the data, package in their proprietary data sets, and here we are.
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yeah, I don't love it it seems to be making new map data under a permissive licence instead of openstreetmap's copyleft one, which makes it possible to coopt the work of volunteers

yorwba 3y ago

Looks like the only permissively licensed part is the "Places" dataset provided by Meta and Microsoft https://docs.overturemaps.org/release-notes/data-attribution/ https://docs.overturemaps.org/release-notes/data-attribution... so the volunteers being coopted are e.g. people who made a Facebook page for their business?

spencerflem 3y ago
Any new data not in OSM is under a separate dataset and not under a copyleft license, so anyone contributing to that in the future means that their data might be used in a proprietary map. In general, this seems to be more aimed as a corporate-friendly replacement of OSM where instead of volunteers, its companies with satellite data and phone data and AIs and only the end result is shared, not the process. So you're right that its not really being unfair to the OSM community whose data they seem to only reluctantly want (because it's copyleft) and have kept as such. I am worried though that if if this gets popular, that OSM will be starved for funding and contributors
- cowsandmilk 3y ago
  > anyone contributing to that in the future means that their data might be used in a proprietary map But overture doesn’t generally allow the type of contributions OSM allows. There is no volunteer to map out a set of houses or streets. Allowed types of contributions are large mapping datasets, typically of the type explicitly disallowed from being imported to OSM.
  - timeon 3y ago
    Sorry this is beyond your point, which stands correct, I just want to nitpick: > Allowed types of contributions are large mapping datasets, typically of the type explicitly disallowed from being imported to OSM. Depends on license. There are mass imports in OSM.
  - 1oooqooq 3y ago
    > But overture doesn’t generally allow the type of contributions OSM allows. this is cyclical. the data they contribute is generated by people who freely contributed this data to Microsoft et al. then Microsoft takes ownership of the data, package in their proprietary data sets, and here we are.
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