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"The sooner you can adjust your mental view to treating food as nothing more than fuel, the better off you'll be" Better off how? Eating for enjoyment is one o

"The sooner you can adjust your mental view to treating food as nothing more than fuel, the better off you'll be" Better off how? Eating for enjoyment is one of the best pleasures in life. To quote someone else, if you spend your life eating no butter, no lard, no salt; you're gonna feel like a damn fool lying on your hospital bed, dying from nothing.

daeken 14y ago
As mentioned earlier, I am waaaaaaaay overweight. That, of course, means that I'm at risk for heart disease, diabetes, and all that jazz. So when I found myself sitting in my chair with shooting pains and numbness in my left arm, and severe chest pain, my first thought was "well shit, time to call 911 because I'm having a heart attack". To make a long story short, the actual cause of the symptoms I felt was a combination of a herniated disc in my neck and a panic attack, but the thought that death is right around the corner, due to something very preventable, is not something you ever forget. So while I've not lain on my death bed while dying from 'nothing', I can tell you that thinking you're about to die from something in your control (at least partially) is a terrible, terrible feeling. I really can't emphasize how bad a feeling that is. I love butter, but I'd trade it in a heart beat to never feel that again. Who knows, maybe it's the same whether it's in your control or not.
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- forgottenpaswrd 14y ago
  I love butter too and I weight 80kg, I am very tall(basket player level tall). None of those problems. 40 years ago Americans used to eat lots of butter and fats(way more than today) and they were fit. My advice is: Forget about eating sugar, not fat. Fat is natural, we had eaten it since man is man, fat is in animals with the meat and all tribes everywere(From Papua New Guinea to the Amazon) have horrible histories about those that did not eat fat(because those that do not become ill as fat is essential for the immune system and heart, among others) . Refined sugar is not natural, you should buy fruit as it has antioxidants and lots of fiber so you don't become addicted to sugar(fiber reduces your sugar blood concentration orders of magnitude). Never mix sugar with fat, if you do add lots of fiber, like lettuce or broccoli or fruit(if you don't like them, make an habit and you will like it over time). Replace refined rice or wheat or corn (flours) with entire grains(integral cereals). They are ugly but way more healthy. Learn to cook yourself. It took years for you to get where you are and you need to understand that you need years to get out. Don't try miracles but learn how to get healthy step by step.
- forgottenpaswrd 14y ago
  PD: Oh, and forget about the stupid "calories in, calories out" non sense. Your body is not a Bunsen burner. Your body could take what it needs(and let the remain on your waste) and calories are not equal(even different sugars have completely different metabolism pathways). Also eat five times a day and never fast. Better: get a mentor that really knows, not a person that just has a title but someone that has result under her belt.
  - toadi 14y ago
    Eat five times a day and never fast is very old school. When I was trying to gain weight I would eat 6 times a day. Watched low fat and low sugar. But it seems things changed Intermittent fasting is actual working and even a 24 hour fast can be beneficial. Also Calories in and out are a very easy way to lose weight if you calculate correctly. Lot of people overestimate what they burn. I practice intermittent fasting and now I can maintain low BF % all the time. while using the 5 to 6 meals a day was great for getting more muscle on with a bit of fat gain. But eating 5 to 6 meals a day on low calorie consumption sucks and is not maintainable in the long run. Some good material with studies to back it up: http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html http://rippedbody.jp/2012/03/02/why-is-leangains-so-effective/ http://rippedbody.jp/2012/03/02/why-is-leangains-so-effectiv...
  - jules 14y ago
    Calories in, calories out is a valid model. It's just not a very useful one. The reason that some foods are better than others even though they have the same number of calories is that some foods give you the feeling of being full, which causes you to eat fewer calories later (e.g. protein). Or some foods might cause you to feel fatigued, causing you to burn fewer calories later (sugar crash). But don't kid yourself, if it's a given that you eat X calories and burn/lose Y calories, then you'll gain weight proportional to X-Y. Choose foods that make it easy to keep that number close to zero.
Centigonal 14y ago
Eating food makes you happy, but you shouldn't eat food to feel happy. It's an important distinction to make.
scythe 14y ago
One of the best? I know that in my case I enjoyed cigarettes more than most food, but I don't regret giving those up. Being healthy improves your quality of life as well as the quantity; I can surf and do parkour and hang-glide and many other fun things which several of my friends simply can't do. And, privately -- since it isn't polite to bother someone about their weight -- I find this rather sad.
- surement 14y ago
  For what it's worth, I'm right in the range for a healthy weight given my height, and I exercise daily. Being able to do parkour would be pretty great, however!
  - zacharycohn 14y ago
    If you're interested, email me (email in profile). I've been training for 6+ years, worked for American Parkour for a while, and currently am on the board of a parkour non-profit.
- chc 14y ago
  Enjoying good food doesn't make you unhealthy. For a lot of people I know, it's that misconception that leads them to become so unhealthy. They eat and eat and eat with some yo-yo dieting thrown in for good measure, then give up because it makes them miserable. If you're conscious about how much you eat and how much you exercise, you can eat what you love and still feel great.
- dagw 14y ago
  Since when is eating unhealthy? I love food (and everything about it) more than most people I know, and because of that I also eat a lot more healthily than most people I know. People who don't care about food are the ones who will eat a big mac for lunch and second big mac for dinner.
chris_wot 14y ago
Actually, you'll get used to it and probably enjoy the more healthy food a lot! It's sort of like smoking. Nobody enjoys smoking when they first start. It's disgusting! But they think: "If it's this bad then I can stop at any time" - then they can't. A similar thing happens with coffee and sugar. If you have 3 sugars in your coffee and slowly start to reduce it, then eventually cut it out then for the first few cups when you cut it out you won't like it, but then you'll actually be OK with it. Then you won't be able to drink it with sugar at all!
nazgulnarsil 14y ago
butter lard and salt are all perfectly fine. portion control and micronutrient density are the problems, not any particular substance.
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shin_lao 14y ago
Eating for enjoyment is one of the best pleasures in life. Please don't take this the wrong way, but I really think this is a sad statement and I truly hope one day you will understand why I think so.
- etherealG 14y ago
  I disagree, eating for pleasure doesn't mean overeating.
  - FuzzyDunlop 14y ago
    Nor does it mean gorging on McDonalds and KFC every day of the week. It might cost a tiny little bit more to get the fresh ingredients instead of the usual stacks of shitty ready meals and frozen foods, but the variety and the balance (if you shop well) is hard to beat. I love being able to cook good food, and as a result, the food is enjoyable, and I'm encouraged to learn more recipes so I can enjoy more.
    - surement 14y ago
      Absolutely. I love cooking with fresh ingredients and hate fast food, and most restaurants for that matter. Although I may love cooking some foie gras a few times a year, what I cook is generally a lot healthier than what a person who doesn't particularly enjoy eating eats.
- dagw 14y ago
  Please elaborate. I completely agree with the original comment. Good food and drink is easily one of the best pleasures in life.
- ulisesrmzroche 14y ago
  I feel the same way about yours, actually. I don't want you to get it the wrong way so I'll google it for you: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/self-righteous http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/self-righteous
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roel_v 14y ago
If your epitome of culinary pleasure is butter, lard and salt, you need to start dining somewhere else. (while I agree with you that eating can be a great pleasure, one can simultaneously enjoy great food every single day and not look like Jabba the Hutt).
- surement 14y ago
  I'm slim, tall, and handsome, and I cook my own food, thank you very much :) Actually, one of the restaurants I truly enjoy is Au Pied De Cochon in Montreal, where it gets way "worse" than butter, lard and salt. Maybe it's a good thing I live across the continent from it :)

daeken 14y ago

As mentioned earlier, I am waaaaaaaay overweight. That, of course, means that I'm at risk for heart disease, diabetes, and all that jazz. So when I found myself sitting in my chair with shooting pains and numbness in my left arm, and severe chest pain, my first thought was "well shit, time to call 911 because I'm having a heart attack". To make a long story short, the actual cause of the symptoms I felt was a combination of a herniated disc in my neck and a panic attack, but the thought that death is right around the corner, due to something very preventable, is not something you ever forget. So while I've not lain on my death bed while dying from 'nothing', I can tell you that thinking you're about to die from something in your control (at least partially) is a terrible, terrible feeling. I really can't emphasize how bad a feeling that is. I love butter, but I'd trade it in a heart beat to never feel that again. Who knows, maybe it's the same whether it's in your control or not.

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forgottenpaswrd 14y ago
I love butter too and I weight 80kg, I am very tall(basket player level tall). None of those problems. 40 years ago Americans used to eat lots of butter and fats(way more than today) and they were fit. My advice is: Forget about eating sugar, not fat. Fat is natural, we had eaten it since man is man, fat is in animals with the meat and all tribes everywere(From Papua New Guinea to the Amazon) have horrible histories about those that did not eat fat(because those that do not become ill as fat is essential for the immune system and heart, among others) . Refined sugar is not natural, you should buy fruit as it has antioxidants and lots of fiber so you don't become addicted to sugar(fiber reduces your sugar blood concentration orders of magnitude). Never mix sugar with fat, if you do add lots of fiber, like lettuce or broccoli or fruit(if you don't like them, make an habit and you will like it over time). Replace refined rice or wheat or corn (flours) with entire grains(integral cereals). They are ugly but way more healthy. Learn to cook yourself. It took years for you to get where you are and you need to understand that you need years to get out. Don't try miracles but learn how to get healthy step by step.
forgottenpaswrd 14y ago
PD: Oh, and forget about the stupid "calories in, calories out" non sense. Your body is not a Bunsen burner. Your body could take what it needs(and let the remain on your waste) and calories are not equal(even different sugars have completely different metabolism pathways). Also eat five times a day and never fast. Better: get a mentor that really knows, not a person that just has a title but someone that has result under her belt.
- toadi 14y ago
  Eat five times a day and never fast is very old school. When I was trying to gain weight I would eat 6 times a day. Watched low fat and low sugar. But it seems things changed Intermittent fasting is actual working and even a 24 hour fast can be beneficial. Also Calories in and out are a very easy way to lose weight if you calculate correctly. Lot of people overestimate what they burn. I practice intermittent fasting and now I can maintain low BF % all the time. while using the 5 to 6 meals a day was great for getting more muscle on with a bit of fat gain. But eating 5 to 6 meals a day on low calorie consumption sucks and is not maintainable in the long run. Some good material with studies to back it up: http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html http://rippedbody.jp/2012/03/02/why-is-leangains-so-effective/ http://rippedbody.jp/2012/03/02/why-is-leangains-so-effectiv...
- jules 14y ago
  Calories in, calories out is a valid model. It's just not a very useful one. The reason that some foods are better than others even though they have the same number of calories is that some foods give you the feeling of being full, which causes you to eat fewer calories later (e.g. protein). Or some foods might cause you to feel fatigued, causing you to burn fewer calories later (sugar crash). But don't kid yourself, if it's a given that you eat X calories and burn/lose Y calories, then you'll gain weight proportional to X-Y. Choose foods that make it easy to keep that number close to zero.

Centigonal 14y ago

Eating food makes you happy, but you shouldn't eat food to feel happy. It's an important distinction to make.

scythe 14y ago

One of the best? I know that in my case I enjoyed cigarettes more than most food, but I don't regret giving those up. Being healthy improves your quality of life as well as the quantity; I can surf and do parkour and hang-glide and many other fun things which several of my friends simply can't do. And, privately -- since it isn't polite to bother someone about their weight -- I find this rather sad.

surement 14y ago
For what it's worth, I'm right in the range for a healthy weight given my height, and I exercise daily. Being able to do parkour would be pretty great, however!
- zacharycohn 14y ago
  If you're interested, email me (email in profile). I've been training for 6+ years, worked for American Parkour for a while, and currently am on the board of a parkour non-profit.
chc 14y ago
Enjoying good food doesn't make you unhealthy. For a lot of people I know, it's that misconception that leads them to become so unhealthy. They eat and eat and eat with some yo-yo dieting thrown in for good measure, then give up because it makes them miserable. If you're conscious about how much you eat and how much you exercise, you can eat what you love and still feel great.
dagw 14y ago
Since when is eating unhealthy? I love food (and everything about it) more than most people I know, and because of that I also eat a lot more healthily than most people I know. People who don't care about food are the ones who will eat a big mac for lunch and second big mac for dinner.

chris_wot 14y ago

Actually, you'll get used to it and probably enjoy the more healthy food a lot! It's sort of like smoking. Nobody enjoys smoking when they first start. It's disgusting! But they think: "If it's this bad then I can stop at any time" - then they can't. A similar thing happens with coffee and sugar. If you have 3 sugars in your coffee and slowly start to reduce it, then eventually cut it out then for the first few cups when you cut it out you won't like it, but then you'll actually be OK with it. Then you won't be able to drink it with sugar at all!

nazgulnarsil 14y ago

butter lard and salt are all perfectly fine. portion control and micronutrient density are the problems, not any particular substance.

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shin_lao 14y ago

Eating for enjoyment is one of the best pleasures in life. Please don't take this the wrong way, but I really think this is a sad statement and I truly hope one day you will understand why I think so.

etherealG 14y ago
I disagree, eating for pleasure doesn't mean overeating.
- FuzzyDunlop 14y ago
  Nor does it mean gorging on McDonalds and KFC every day of the week. It might cost a tiny little bit more to get the fresh ingredients instead of the usual stacks of shitty ready meals and frozen foods, but the variety and the balance (if you shop well) is hard to beat. I love being able to cook good food, and as a result, the food is enjoyable, and I'm encouraged to learn more recipes so I can enjoy more.
  - surement 14y ago
    Absolutely. I love cooking with fresh ingredients and hate fast food, and most restaurants for that matter. Although I may love cooking some foie gras a few times a year, what I cook is generally a lot healthier than what a person who doesn't particularly enjoy eating eats.
dagw 14y ago
Please elaborate. I completely agree with the original comment. Good food and drink is easily one of the best pleasures in life.
ulisesrmzroche 14y ago
I feel the same way about yours, actually. I don't want you to get it the wrong way so I'll google it for you: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/self-righteous http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/self-righteous
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roel_v 14y ago

If your epitome of culinary pleasure is butter, lard and salt, you need to start dining somewhere else. (while I agree with you that eating can be a great pleasure, one can simultaneously enjoy great food every single day and not look like Jabba the Hutt).

surement 14y ago
I'm slim, tall, and handsome, and I cook my own food, thank you very much :) Actually, one of the restaurants I truly enjoy is Au Pied De Cochon in Montreal, where it gets way "worse" than butter, lard and salt. Maybe it's a good thing I live across the continent from it :)