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What problem does he have in his air conditioner equipped office? Democracy is not only about the will of majority, it's about protecting the rights of minoriti

What problem does he have in his air conditioner equipped office? Democracy is not only about the will of majority, it's about protecting the rights of minorities, too. Never will understand. Never will do.

shiroiushi 3y ago
>Democracy is not only about the will of majority, it's about protecting the rights of minorities, too. No, it's not. It's about the majority getting its way; that's the whole point of the majority vote winning the election. Better-designed democratic systems attempt to share power with minority groups to mitigate this problem, but it's always a problem. I don't think there's any way to have a truly democratic system where the rights of a minority group are respected and protected when a large majority actually hates them and/or wants to exploit them. There's a reason the most harmonious democratic societies are always ones that don't have much contention between different groups, or very little diversity to begin with.
- theGeatZhopa 3y ago
  Look over to Europe. Even the majority wins, still the rights of minorities are protected. It doesn't mean it's will is protected. One example: Roma people: Everyone hates them, but still they can exercise their rights. Birth abortion: there are a lot of people who try to do it but are hindered by aggression. To protect their rights is the democratic states exercise. And so on. I don't think Europe has less contention between different groups, nor less diversity. You're right, that the diversity will get less in harmonic societies, but in my eyes because each member of the society takes up the thinking and learnings of the society because it's good, not because the society forces him to. There's is s difference between majorities will and minorities rights. Rights are the same of each of the members :)
  - throwaway11460 3y ago
    Winning an election doesn't mean majority. See what a majority can do about birth abortions in Poland. It was practically the first thing they did once they could.
    - theGeatZhopa 3y ago
      Winning an election is a part of a democratic process. Making the laws in the legislative part as a election-winnet is another democratic process: consensus finding. It's not always possible to do "as said" - you need a majority of the elected members to vote for. There's also a lot of bargaining like "if you vote for x, then you'll get y for that". Just take the parliament of Israel with it's 40 or so parties and each with their own wishes. Just take the Parlament of Germany, or that of Poland. As always: the one wins, who can bring more people/votes onto his side. If the Poland's conservative party with a big percentage of Poland's inhabitants is against birth control and abortions, and the elections winner is the opposite of the conservative - then you have a problem and need to bargain with the other peergroup of conservatists.. So, winning an election is actually meaning majority. But coalitions of other parties may sum up to a bigger vote count / majority. In either case you have the government and the opposition. The opposition can be higher in vote counts. It's getting difficult to find a consensus with something if the bigger opposition doesn't agree. .. democracy... :)
- miles 3y ago
  >> Democracy is not only about the will of majority, it's about protecting the rights of minorities, too. > No, it's not. It's about the majority getting its way Majority Rule, Minority Rights https://www.principlesofdemocracy.org/majority https://www.principlesofdemocracy.org/majority How Does Democracy Protect Minority Rights? https://constitutionus.com/democracy/how-does-democracy-protect-minority-rights/ https://constitutionus.com/democracy/how-does-democracy-prot... Majority Rule and Minority Rights https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/glossary_term/majority-rule-and-minority-rights/ https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/glossary_term/majority-ru...
  - shiroiushi 3y ago
    Wow, these links are ridiculously wrong and fantastical. There is no fundamental protection of human rights in a democracy, unless the majority votes for it somehow. Just look at the USA: it was a democracy since it started, and it had actual slavery for about 75 years until it fought a brutal civil war that ended it. Even after that, for another 100 years, Black people didn't have any kind of civil rights and were routinely abused and murdered. They couldn't even vote in most cases. How exactly did democracy protect them? Even today, there's enormous evidence of racist treatment of Black people (especially from the police). How many more years do they have to wait for this wonderful democratic system to protect them and treat them as equals?
    - theGeatZhopa 3y ago
      That's true. But it's not about democracy, rather it's about the laws written down under a democracy. Two different things. You can have a democracy, but wrong laws. It's up to the legislative to find the proper laws. If it doesn't do it, the majority will choose another legislation members in elections and (may be) they will do it then.. If there's a bad treatment by the police, then it's a sign for bad police and weak laws. please, do not mix up democracy vs rights vs laws. Because the people of color also have same constitution rights - after majorities will forced this through election of legislative members, who introduced the change with laws, somewhen 50y ago. But the mindset of a few people hinders the change now (like the racists in the police..) and the laws are to weak to hinder them on doing so: the punishment is not scary enough.

shiroiushi 3y ago

>Democracy is not only about the will of majority, it's about protecting the rights of minorities, too. No, it's not. It's about the majority getting its way; that's the whole point of the majority vote winning the election. Better-designed democratic systems attempt to share power with minority groups to mitigate this problem, but it's always a problem. I don't think there's any way to have a truly democratic system where the rights of a minority group are respected and protected when a large majority actually hates them and/or wants to exploit them. There's a reason the most harmonious democratic societies are always ones that don't have much contention between different groups, or very little diversity to begin with.

theGeatZhopa 3y ago
Look over to Europe. Even the majority wins, still the rights of minorities are protected. It doesn't mean it's will is protected. One example: Roma people: Everyone hates them, but still they can exercise their rights. Birth abortion: there are a lot of people who try to do it but are hindered by aggression. To protect their rights is the democratic states exercise. And so on. I don't think Europe has less contention between different groups, nor less diversity. You're right, that the diversity will get less in harmonic societies, but in my eyes because each member of the society takes up the thinking and learnings of the society because it's good, not because the society forces him to. There's is s difference between majorities will and minorities rights. Rights are the same of each of the members :)
- throwaway11460 3y ago
  Winning an election doesn't mean majority. See what a majority can do about birth abortions in Poland. It was practically the first thing they did once they could.
  - theGeatZhopa 3y ago
    Winning an election is a part of a democratic process. Making the laws in the legislative part as a election-winnet is another democratic process: consensus finding. It's not always possible to do "as said" - you need a majority of the elected members to vote for. There's also a lot of bargaining like "if you vote for x, then you'll get y for that". Just take the parliament of Israel with it's 40 or so parties and each with their own wishes. Just take the Parlament of Germany, or that of Poland. As always: the one wins, who can bring more people/votes onto his side. If the Poland's conservative party with a big percentage of Poland's inhabitants is against birth control and abortions, and the elections winner is the opposite of the conservative - then you have a problem and need to bargain with the other peergroup of conservatists.. So, winning an election is actually meaning majority. But coalitions of other parties may sum up to a bigger vote count / majority. In either case you have the government and the opposition. The opposition can be higher in vote counts. It's getting difficult to find a consensus with something if the bigger opposition doesn't agree. .. democracy... :)
miles 3y ago
>> Democracy is not only about the will of majority, it's about protecting the rights of minorities, too. > No, it's not. It's about the majority getting its way Majority Rule, Minority Rights https://www.principlesofdemocracy.org/majority https://www.principlesofdemocracy.org/majority How Does Democracy Protect Minority Rights? https://constitutionus.com/democracy/how-does-democracy-protect-minority-rights/ https://constitutionus.com/democracy/how-does-democracy-prot... Majority Rule and Minority Rights https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/glossary_term/majority-rule-and-minority-rights/ https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/glossary_term/majority-ru...
- shiroiushi 3y ago
  Wow, these links are ridiculously wrong and fantastical. There is no fundamental protection of human rights in a democracy, unless the majority votes for it somehow. Just look at the USA: it was a democracy since it started, and it had actual slavery for about 75 years until it fought a brutal civil war that ended it. Even after that, for another 100 years, Black people didn't have any kind of civil rights and were routinely abused and murdered. They couldn't even vote in most cases. How exactly did democracy protect them? Even today, there's enormous evidence of racist treatment of Black people (especially from the police). How many more years do they have to wait for this wonderful democratic system to protect them and treat them as equals?
  - theGeatZhopa 3y ago
    That's true. But it's not about democracy, rather it's about the laws written down under a democracy. Two different things. You can have a democracy, but wrong laws. It's up to the legislative to find the proper laws. If it doesn't do it, the majority will choose another legislation members in elections and (may be) they will do it then.. If there's a bad treatment by the police, then it's a sign for bad police and weak laws. please, do not mix up democracy vs rights vs laws. Because the people of color also have same constitution rights - after majorities will forced this through election of legislative members, who introduced the change with laws, somewhen 50y ago. But the mindset of a few people hinders the change now (like the racists in the police..) and the laws are to weak to hinder them on doing so: the punishment is not scary enough.