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Proton is what made me ditch Firefox. I don't want my screen real estate taken up by bigger and bigger toolbars, which was exactly one of the motivating reason

Proton is what made me ditch Firefox. I don't want my screen real estate taken up by bigger and bigger toolbars, which was exactly one of the motivating reasons Firefox evolved its UI back in v4, circa 2011 [1]. I went to Vivaldi. It has tons of customization options, like classic Opera. [1]: https://github.com/black7375/Firefox-UI-Fix/wiki/%5BArticle%5D-0.-Firefox-UI-UX-history https://github.com/black7375/Firefox-UI-Fix/wiki/%5BArticle%...

abdullahkhalids 2y ago
Use sidebar tabs. Most websites don't use the full width of your screen. So, it makes total sense to put tabs in the sidebar, instead of them taking up valuable vertical screen state.
- Groxx 2y ago
  sidebar tabs are so great. more horizontal space for the title, reduces tons of whitespace in 99% of sites, hierarchical collapsing in many (ya like tab groups? tree-style-tabs users have had them for a decade already), and it's easy to make them use little vertical space. it's such a no-brainer, I'm surprised it's not a first-class feature in the main browsers (I'm aware that it is built in or default in a number of niche browsers).
  - trifurcate 2y ago
    Edge has this implemented in a pretty decent way.
    - jorvi 2y ago
      Brave as well.
  - weberer 2y ago
    >it's such a no-brainer, I'm surprised it's not a first-class feature in the main browsers Its one of those things like dark mode, where power users strongly request it for decades, yet corporations push back against it every time. And much the same as dark mode, I predict that all the same corporations will suddenly have a change of heart the second Apple starts implementing it.
- thayne 2y ago
  That would be great if there was an option to get rid of the tabbar at the top
  - abdullahkhalids 2y ago
    Inside your profile folder, open or create chrome/userChrome.css /* to hide the native tabs */ #TabsToolbar { visibility: collapse; } /* to hide the sidebar header */ #sidebar-header { visibility: collapse; } TreeStyleTabs author lists some more elaborate css [1]. [1] https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab/wiki/Code-snippets-for-custom-style-rules#hide-horizontal-tabs-at-the-top-of-the-window-1349-1672-2147 https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab/wiki/Code-snippets-fo...
  - quesera 2y ago
    I remove the horizontal tab bar in all of my Firefox profiles: https://superuser.com/questions/1424478/can-i-hide-native-tabs-at-the-top-of-firefox https://superuser.com/questions/1424478/can-i-hide-native-ta...
DavideNL 2y ago
Unfortunately, Vivaldi is proprietary/closed-source... and of course, using it results in supporting the Chromium browser monopoly / Google Eco-system.
- wobfan 2y ago
  This is also my main reason to use Firefox. I generally like Firefox, but I find Chromium more snappy. But it's Google. The Manifest V3 changes were the nail in the coffin for me. Unfortunately I still have to use it when developing with Flutter, but otherwise I try to avoid it where I can.
ephimetheus 2y ago
Proton is what made me come back to Firefox after many years. It finally didn’t look cramped and complicated anymore.
Unfrozen0688 2y ago
Vivaldi is great I love the vertical tabs and the F2 menu but it's still so dog slow.

abdullahkhalids 2y ago

Use sidebar tabs. Most websites don't use the full width of your screen. So, it makes total sense to put tabs in the sidebar, instead of them taking up valuable vertical screen state.

Groxx 2y ago
sidebar tabs are so great. more horizontal space for the title, reduces tons of whitespace in 99% of sites, hierarchical collapsing in many (ya like tab groups? tree-style-tabs users have had them for a decade already), and it's easy to make them use little vertical space. it's such a no-brainer, I'm surprised it's not a first-class feature in the main browsers (I'm aware that it is built in or default in a number of niche browsers).
- trifurcate 2y ago
  Edge has this implemented in a pretty decent way.
  - jorvi 2y ago
    Brave as well.
- weberer 2y ago
  >it's such a no-brainer, I'm surprised it's not a first-class feature in the main browsers Its one of those things like dark mode, where power users strongly request it for decades, yet corporations push back against it every time. And much the same as dark mode, I predict that all the same corporations will suddenly have a change of heart the second Apple starts implementing it.
thayne 2y ago
That would be great if there was an option to get rid of the tabbar at the top
- abdullahkhalids 2y ago
  Inside your profile folder, open or create chrome/userChrome.css /* to hide the native tabs */ #TabsToolbar { visibility: collapse; } /* to hide the sidebar header */ #sidebar-header { visibility: collapse; } TreeStyleTabs author lists some more elaborate css [1]. [1] https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab/wiki/Code-snippets-for-custom-style-rules#hide-horizontal-tabs-at-the-top-of-the-window-1349-1672-2147 https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab/wiki/Code-snippets-fo...
- quesera 2y ago
  I remove the horizontal tab bar in all of my Firefox profiles: https://superuser.com/questions/1424478/can-i-hide-native-tabs-at-the-top-of-firefox https://superuser.com/questions/1424478/can-i-hide-native-ta...

DavideNL 2y ago

Unfortunately, Vivaldi is proprietary/closed-source... and of course, using it results in supporting the Chromium browser monopoly / Google Eco-system.

wobfan 2y ago
This is also my main reason to use Firefox. I generally like Firefox, but I find Chromium more snappy. But it's Google. The Manifest V3 changes were the nail in the coffin for me. Unfortunately I still have to use it when developing with Flutter, but otherwise I try to avoid it where I can.

ephimetheus 2y ago

Proton is what made me come back to Firefox after many years. It finally didn’t look cramped and complicated anymore.

Unfrozen0688 2y ago

Vivaldi is great I love the vertical tabs and the F2 menu but it's still so dog slow.