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Boeing's problems has cost United $200M in Q1 2024
- atleastoptimal 2y agoIn a general sense, if a company sells another company a product, should the responsibility for the safety of the product rest with the manufacturer, the operator, or somewhere in between?
- rgrieselhuber 2y agoDepends on whether it’s a manufacturing flaw, maintenance issue, or both.
- bb88 2y agoUnited has their own mechanics. So, it wouldn't surprise me if United has no warranty except for defects from the factory, and also with a good rate on replacement parts. Otherwise it would probably be like a car. What you can't fix through a mechanic is a defect, and what you wear down (e.g. tires) are consumables.
- otterley 2y agoIn product liability law, at least, every party in the “stream of commerce” is liable for a defective product. These include the manufacturer, distributor, retailer, and importer.
- Ekaros 2y agoBoth. Just think of it like car. The operator/owner is responsible to keep it maintained not the manufacturer. So replacing tires and making sure brakes and so on are in reasonable shape. On other hand it is on manufacturer to provide defect free product. Meaning brake failure is not their fault.
- nostrademons 2y agoJust got cheap last-minute flights on a United 737-Max-9. The next cheapest flight was $3500 for a family of 4; this one was $1400. Sometimes it pays to risk your life on airplanes other people won't fly on. If you figure 200 people on the plane (it wasn't full) and they each paid $500 less than market rates, that's $100K that they lost on one flight alone.
- foobar1962 2y ago> Sometimes it pays to risk your life on airplanes other people won't fly on. We have a winner!
- bb88 2y agoReverse lottery.
- compootr 2y agoonly reverse for the airline :)
- CoastalCoder 2y ago> We have a winner! We won't know that until they de-plane.
- fransje26 2y agoOh, de-planing they will. The question is more: at what speed?
- orbisvicis 2y agoJust bring a parachute. Then, deregulate the industry and make safety a personal responsibility.
- fransje26 2y agoPikachu face when you find out, in free-fall, that the parachute manufacturers took the same approach to safety..
- orbisvicis 2y agoHeh. There are defects that are impossible to catch. But if what I've read about parachutes is accurate, you're supposed to inspect them before use as they have a shelf life. And that's the problem with deregulation. It's inefficient because it places a greater burden on everyone and therefore a greater burden on society. Nobody has time for that. Except rich people - they can hire personal parachute checkers.
- shiroiushi 2y agoI wonder what Airbus is doing to increase their production capacity. They're basically leaving a lot of money on the table by not being able to fill orders faster. If they could somehow double their capacity overnight, they'd still immediately sell all those planes. Of course, building production capacity for complex aircraft isn't trivial at all, but I never read about this in the news media, only about Boeing's problems and the problems their customers are experiencing because they're Boeing customers.
- bhaney 2y ago> I wonder what Airbus is doing to increase their production capacity Probably scrambling and cutting corners. You know, using dish soap as lubricant, hotel keycards instead of proper tools, leaving out bolts, typical industry stuff ;)
- coredog64 2y agoSpirit Aerosystems is an Airbus contractor too.
- imglorp 2y agoIt doesn't matter who your supplier is, if you fastidiously check their work.
- inamberclad 2y agoAt that point it takes such a team that you might as well bring production in house. There's inherent trust in your supplier when you outsource.
- Ekaros 2y agoOr don't squeeze everything impossible out of them. There is efficiency and then there demands that means corners will get cut or not cut when metal working is really needed.
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- xyst 2y agoSo poor management at Boeing leads to poor products. Products used by airlines. Products found to be defective. Defective products grounded or recalled. Seems Boeing management needs to be sued to oblivion. Have Boeing executives force a sale of their collective stock, and that will cover United losses.
- nine_zeros 2y agoBut but but what about the poor shareholders? Fiduciary duty? Something shareholder and shareholder alone? \s
- fransje26 2y ago"We are in this together"
- dheera 2y ago... and then they'll have even less money to ensure the future safety of planes. You know what needs to happen instead? Forcefully bump their share price up, FUND them to fix safety, switch out the managers, and allow them to keep earnings secret for the next 16 quarters but publish quarterly safety reports in lieu.
- LeafItAlone 2y agoI honestly can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not. Is it?
- sirspacey 2y agoI’d encourage you to read up on the radical change in Boeings management philosophy over the last decade. They were an engineering culture. Their CEO led a deliberate campaign to drive senior engineers out of the company. It worked. I don’t know a single company that has recovered from it, 16 quarters or otherwise.
- black_13 2y ago[dead]