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Car Talk was an NPR show.

by eurleif 3y ago

BeetleB 3y ago
Nope. It was a locally produced show that was licensed to NPR.
- wannacboatmovie 3y ago
  "Car Talk was originally a radio show that ran on National Public Radio (NPR) from 1977 until October 2012, when the Magliozzi brothers retired." Source: Wikipedia I'm laughing at everyone trying to split hairs over Car Talk in this thread. Most long-running programming on PBS were all "locally produced".
  - BeetleB 3y ago
    > Most long-running programming on PBS were all "locally produced". And I would split hairs with PBS as well :-) As I mentioned in a sibling post, NPR shows are things like "All Things Considered". Stuff like "Fresh Air" and Car Talk are not considered as NPR shows - not even by NPR themselves.
    - wannacboatmovie 3y ago
      > Stuff like "Fresh Air" and Car Talk are not considered as NPR shows - not even by NPR themselves. So when NPR themselves[1] refer to it as "NPR's Car Talk" in official copy, you're saying that is horseshit? You should write to NPR and let them know they are wrong. Also this: Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. [1] https://www.npr.org/2014/11/03/357428287/tom-magliozzi-popular-co-host-of-nprs-car-talk-dies-at-77 https://www.npr.org/2014/11/03/357428287/tom-magliozzi-popul...
  - CoastalCoder 3y ago
    This makes me nostalgic. I wish I could hear Tom weigh in on this discussion, and then hear Ray talk him down from the ledge.
    - shagie 3y ago
      From their 25th year anniversary - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6atDT3cmrs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6atDT3cmrs
- eurleif 3y ago
  I assumed you were trying to distinguish shows like A Prairie Home Companion, which was distributed by American Public Media, from shows distributed by NPR; and that you were simply mistaken about Car Talk. That would have been a somewhat meaningful point, despite the incestuous relationship between all of these organizations. However, if you're arguing that shows distributed by NPR aren't "NPR shows" unless they are also directly produced by NPR, then you're not only being pedantic, but being pedantic on the basis of a definition that is not widely shared. NPR's own Terry Gross has described Car Talk in these exact words, "an NPR show".[0] A large part of NPR's mission is distributing shows produced by local affiliates, and no doubt they exercise significant editorial discretion in determining which shows to distribute. For the purposes of this discussion, who cares if a show is produced directly by NPR, or if it is produced by another organizaton using NPR's money and then distributed by NPR? [0] https://www.npr.org/transcripts/361408028 https://www.npr.org/transcripts/361408028
  - BeetleB 3y ago
    > NPR's own Terry Gross has described Car Talk in these exact words, "an NPR show".[0] It's interesting that you invoke Terry Gross as being part of NPR, when NPR actually says otherwise: > Several programs that NPR distributes are produced by NPR Member Stations, not NPR. These include top-rated news and cultural programs such as Fresh Air with host Terry Gross from WHYY... https://www.npr.org/about-npr/178640915/npr-stations-and-public-media https://www.npr.org/about-npr/178640915/npr-stations-and-pub... NPR shows are things like All Things Considered. Car Talk was produced by an independent affiliate (just like Fresh Air). Yes, I am distinguishing between the two. If NPR doesn't consider Fresh Air to be an "NPR show", then nor do they consider Car Talk to be an NPR show. There's a difference between these and things like TV shows. Stuff like The Simpsons is actually a FOX show (as in whatever company makes them is owned by Fox). Whereas NPR never "owned" Car Talk, just as they don't currently "own" Fresh Air. These shows can always choose not to be part of NPR syndication. It's ultimately a licensing deal. They do own All Things Considered.
    - eurleif 3y ago
      NPR does not say Fresh Air is "not an NPR show". They say it is produced by a member station. You are then superimposing your own personal definition of "NPR show", which Terry Gross for example does not share, onto that statement. Fresh Air's X handle is @nprfreshair, and you want to tell me it's not an NPR show? More importantly: how is any of this possibly relevant to the original conversation?
- shagie 3y ago
  https://youtu.be/aChiTXPHpCY?si=Y0dp431Kq96peLwl&t=3205 https://youtu.be/aChiTXPHpCY?si=Y0dp431Kq96peLwl&t=3205 > Car talk is a production of Dewey Cheetah Howe and WBUR in Boston. And even though NPR staffers pass through the stages of denial anger depression and acceptance then go back to denial again whenever they hear us say it this is NPR. https://youtu.be/1ExBaSRyXEM?si=mszTKyvWhrOU2Ezg&t=3180 https://youtu.be/1ExBaSRyXEM?si=mszTKyvWhrOU2Ezg&t=3180 > Car talk is a production of Dewey Cheetah Howe and WBUR in Boston. And even though hearing aid salesmen are consumed by guilt whenever they hear us say it this is NPR. How much less NPR can it be when the hosts say at the end "This is NPR"?
  - BeetleB 3y ago
    Not sure what your point is. The hosts are clearly pointing out that NPR staffers disagree with them on this point.
    - shagie 3y ago
      You haven't listened to enough of the end credits. https://www.npr.org/people/2100834/tom-and-ray-magliozzi https://www.npr.org/people/2100834/tom-and-ray-magliozzi In 1977, Tom and Ray were invited to the studios of NPR member station WBUR in Boston, along with other area mechanics, to discuss car repair. Tom accepted the invitation, and when he was invited back the following week, he asked, "Can I bring my brother, Ray?" The rest, as they say, is history. The Magliozzis were subsequently given their own weekly program, Car Talk, which soon attracted a large local following. In January 1987, then host Susan Stamberg asked Tom and Ray to be weekly contributors to NPR's Weekend Edition and on October 31, 1987, Car Talk premiered as a national program, presented by NPR. ... Car Talk is produced for NPR by Dewey, Cheetham & Howe and WBUR in Boston. Doug Berman is the Executive Producer. --- https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510208/car-talk https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510208/car-talk > The Best of Car Talk From NPR > What are you going to do if two NPR hosts proclaim that you are so friendless you have to hang a porkchop around your neck just to get the dog to play with you? And what if those heartless hosts were your very own uncles? Find out on this episode of the Best of Car Talk. That's listed under https://www.npr.org/podcasts/organizations/s1 https://www.npr.org/podcasts/organizations/s1 which is "NPR Podcasts & Shows" with "NPR" in the top left corner of the icon. If you go to Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/7y4fsFiHniACpBxFbvYKzY https://open.spotify.com/show/7y4fsFiHniACpBxFbvYKzY - this is from NPR and not On The Media (which I also listen to on a public radio station) https://open.spotify.com/show/3ge9HkAgzE1PP6193I1Vet https://open.spotify.com/show/3ge9HkAgzE1PP6193I1Vet and in https://www.npr.org/podcasts/452538775/on-the-media https://www.npr.org/podcasts/452538775/on-the-media it is listed in a different organization ( https://www.npr.org/podcasts/organizations/s552 https://www.npr.org/podcasts/organizations/s552 ).

Car Talk was an NPR show.

BeetleB 3y ago

Nope. It was a locally produced show that was licensed to NPR.

wannacboatmovie 3y ago
"Car Talk was originally a radio show that ran on National Public Radio (NPR) from 1977 until October 2012, when the Magliozzi brothers retired." Source: Wikipedia I'm laughing at everyone trying to split hairs over Car Talk in this thread. Most long-running programming on PBS were all "locally produced".
- BeetleB 3y ago
  > Most long-running programming on PBS were all "locally produced". And I would split hairs with PBS as well :-) As I mentioned in a sibling post, NPR shows are things like "All Things Considered". Stuff like "Fresh Air" and Car Talk are not considered as NPR shows - not even by NPR themselves.
  - wannacboatmovie 3y ago
    > Stuff like "Fresh Air" and Car Talk are not considered as NPR shows - not even by NPR themselves. So when NPR themselves[1] refer to it as "NPR's Car Talk" in official copy, you're saying that is horseshit? You should write to NPR and let them know they are wrong. Also this: Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. [1] https://www.npr.org/2014/11/03/357428287/tom-magliozzi-popular-co-host-of-nprs-car-talk-dies-at-77 https://www.npr.org/2014/11/03/357428287/tom-magliozzi-popul...
- CoastalCoder 3y ago
  This makes me nostalgic. I wish I could hear Tom weigh in on this discussion, and then hear Ray talk him down from the ledge.
  - shagie 3y ago
    From their 25th year anniversary - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6atDT3cmrs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6atDT3cmrs
eurleif 3y ago
I assumed you were trying to distinguish shows like A Prairie Home Companion, which was distributed by American Public Media, from shows distributed by NPR; and that you were simply mistaken about Car Talk. That would have been a somewhat meaningful point, despite the incestuous relationship between all of these organizations. However, if you're arguing that shows distributed by NPR aren't "NPR shows" unless they are also directly produced by NPR, then you're not only being pedantic, but being pedantic on the basis of a definition that is not widely shared. NPR's own Terry Gross has described Car Talk in these exact words, "an NPR show".[0] A large part of NPR's mission is distributing shows produced by local affiliates, and no doubt they exercise significant editorial discretion in determining which shows to distribute. For the purposes of this discussion, who cares if a show is produced directly by NPR, or if it is produced by another organizaton using NPR's money and then distributed by NPR? [0] https://www.npr.org/transcripts/361408028 https://www.npr.org/transcripts/361408028
- BeetleB 3y ago
  > NPR's own Terry Gross has described Car Talk in these exact words, "an NPR show".[0] It's interesting that you invoke Terry Gross as being part of NPR, when NPR actually says otherwise: > Several programs that NPR distributes are produced by NPR Member Stations, not NPR. These include top-rated news and cultural programs such as Fresh Air with host Terry Gross from WHYY... https://www.npr.org/about-npr/178640915/npr-stations-and-public-media https://www.npr.org/about-npr/178640915/npr-stations-and-pub... NPR shows are things like All Things Considered. Car Talk was produced by an independent affiliate (just like Fresh Air). Yes, I am distinguishing between the two. If NPR doesn't consider Fresh Air to be an "NPR show", then nor do they consider Car Talk to be an NPR show. There's a difference between these and things like TV shows. Stuff like The Simpsons is actually a FOX show (as in whatever company makes them is owned by Fox). Whereas NPR never "owned" Car Talk, just as they don't currently "own" Fresh Air. These shows can always choose not to be part of NPR syndication. It's ultimately a licensing deal. They do own All Things Considered.
  - eurleif 3y ago
    NPR does not say Fresh Air is "not an NPR show". They say it is produced by a member station. You are then superimposing your own personal definition of "NPR show", which Terry Gross for example does not share, onto that statement. Fresh Air's X handle is @nprfreshair, and you want to tell me it's not an NPR show? More importantly: how is any of this possibly relevant to the original conversation?
shagie 3y ago
https://youtu.be/aChiTXPHpCY?si=Y0dp431Kq96peLwl&t=3205 https://youtu.be/aChiTXPHpCY?si=Y0dp431Kq96peLwl&t=3205 > Car talk is a production of Dewey Cheetah Howe and WBUR in Boston. And even though NPR staffers pass through the stages of denial anger depression and acceptance then go back to denial again whenever they hear us say it this is NPR. https://youtu.be/1ExBaSRyXEM?si=mszTKyvWhrOU2Ezg&t=3180 https://youtu.be/1ExBaSRyXEM?si=mszTKyvWhrOU2Ezg&t=3180 > Car talk is a production of Dewey Cheetah Howe and WBUR in Boston. And even though hearing aid salesmen are consumed by guilt whenever they hear us say it this is NPR. How much less NPR can it be when the hosts say at the end "This is NPR"?
- BeetleB 3y ago
  Not sure what your point is. The hosts are clearly pointing out that NPR staffers disagree with them on this point.
  - shagie 3y ago
    You haven't listened to enough of the end credits. https://www.npr.org/people/2100834/tom-and-ray-magliozzi https://www.npr.org/people/2100834/tom-and-ray-magliozzi In 1977, Tom and Ray were invited to the studios of NPR member station WBUR in Boston, along with other area mechanics, to discuss car repair. Tom accepted the invitation, and when he was invited back the following week, he asked, "Can I bring my brother, Ray?" The rest, as they say, is history. The Magliozzis were subsequently given their own weekly program, Car Talk, which soon attracted a large local following. In January 1987, then host Susan Stamberg asked Tom and Ray to be weekly contributors to NPR's Weekend Edition and on October 31, 1987, Car Talk premiered as a national program, presented by NPR. ... Car Talk is produced for NPR by Dewey, Cheetham & Howe and WBUR in Boston. Doug Berman is the Executive Producer. --- https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510208/car-talk https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510208/car-talk > The Best of Car Talk From NPR > What are you going to do if two NPR hosts proclaim that you are so friendless you have to hang a porkchop around your neck just to get the dog to play with you? And what if those heartless hosts were your very own uncles? Find out on this episode of the Best of Car Talk. That's listed under https://www.npr.org/podcasts/organizations/s1 https://www.npr.org/podcasts/organizations/s1 which is "NPR Podcasts & Shows" with "NPR" in the top left corner of the icon. If you go to Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/7y4fsFiHniACpBxFbvYKzY https://open.spotify.com/show/7y4fsFiHniACpBxFbvYKzY - this is from NPR and not On The Media (which I also listen to on a public radio station) https://open.spotify.com/show/3ge9HkAgzE1PP6193I1Vet https://open.spotify.com/show/3ge9HkAgzE1PP6193I1Vet and in https://www.npr.org/podcasts/452538775/on-the-media https://www.npr.org/podcasts/452538775/on-the-media it is listed in a different organization ( https://www.npr.org/podcasts/organizations/s552 https://www.npr.org/podcasts/organizations/s552 ).