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I have the impression that we are observers suddenly thrust into the dream and we, like a detective, must piece together the puzzle. This allows everyone to wal

I have the impression that we are observers suddenly thrust into the dream and we, like a detective, must piece together the puzzle. This allows everyone to walk away with a different view which is a far cry from linear plots where everything is wrapped up, concluded - roll credits. Lynch makes you think about his work after they conclude. I know some people who hate his works for this reason. They want a neatly packaged story that doesn't require them to think.

robocat 3y ago
I love surrealism, dreamscapes and many forms of nonsense and randomness. I loath anything that feels like it is on the edge of making sense. I hate searching for hidden meaning in something that doesn't actually have a legible hidden meaning. I suspect some of Lynch's work fits in that category. I'm on the engineer spectrum and I just accept that others rate things that I never will enjoy. Maybe I should learn the appeal of tarot? I vicariously enjoy being around my friend that watches movies non-linearly. I don't understand another friend who watched a popular old movie thousands of times and applied their smarts to analysing it multiple different ways. I don't think I fit your stereotype for people that want a nice linear packaged story they don't need to think about. But maybe I'm overthinking. I do enjoy trying to understand what smart friends intensely direct their thoughts towards: so I would enjoy talking with a friend who loves Mulholland Drive.
- MisterTea 3y ago
  > I hate searching for hidden meaning in something that doesn't actually have a legible hidden meaning. Like dreams, no? It's not about being a pretentious savant who can analyze his films for deeper meaning but enjoying them for defying the expectations. And you can draw any conclusion you like - from hating it to watching it 1000x and writing a thesis on it and everything in between.
  - robocat 3y ago
    > Like dreams, no? Not really because I don't try to analyse my dreams. I often have AAA vivid dreams in SciFi, fantasy, or outré settings: I absolutely love my stunning inner dreamlife, but I rarely read any meanings into what I see. > but enjoying them for defying the expectations I don't get that pleasure. Even though I do enjoy some freaky movies! For me good surprise breaks and makes its own logical consistency. I want either sense or nonsense: a half-mixture just annoys me.
saghm 3y ago
> I have the impression that we are observers suddenly thrust into the dream and we, like a detective, must piece together the puzzle. > ... > I know some people who hate his works for this reason. They want a neatly packaged story that doesn't require them to think. As someone who isn't particularly into his work, this feels like a false dichotomy to me. There's a middle ground between dream-like sequences that are intentionally ambiguous to the point where the directory refuses to elaborate on a single definitive explanation and everything being blatant and obvious to the point where no thinking is required, and I'd argue that trying to figure something out that does have a single definitive explanation but isn't obvious is far more similar to what a detective would need to figure out. This isn't to say that there's anything wrong with anything Lynch does or with the fact that people enjoy his work, but I think it's unfair to dismiss people who don't feel the same way as not wanting to think at all.
DEADMINCE 3y ago
> They want a neatly packaged story that doesn't require them to think. Or they want something with substance, not just dreams-via-film where even the creator doesn't have any answers or a plan. Anyone can fill in the blanks. It's not really 'thinking', IMO.

robocat 3y ago

I love surrealism, dreamscapes and many forms of nonsense and randomness. I loath anything that feels like it is on the edge of making sense. I hate searching for hidden meaning in something that doesn't actually have a legible hidden meaning. I suspect some of Lynch's work fits in that category. I'm on the engineer spectrum and I just accept that others rate things that I never will enjoy. Maybe I should learn the appeal of tarot? I vicariously enjoy being around my friend that watches movies non-linearly. I don't understand another friend who watched a popular old movie thousands of times and applied their smarts to analysing it multiple different ways. I don't think I fit your stereotype for people that want a nice linear packaged story they don't need to think about. But maybe I'm overthinking. I do enjoy trying to understand what smart friends intensely direct their thoughts towards: so I would enjoy talking with a friend who loves Mulholland Drive.

MisterTea 3y ago
> I hate searching for hidden meaning in something that doesn't actually have a legible hidden meaning. Like dreams, no? It's not about being a pretentious savant who can analyze his films for deeper meaning but enjoying them for defying the expectations. And you can draw any conclusion you like - from hating it to watching it 1000x and writing a thesis on it and everything in between.
- robocat 3y ago
  > Like dreams, no? Not really because I don't try to analyse my dreams. I often have AAA vivid dreams in SciFi, fantasy, or outré settings: I absolutely love my stunning inner dreamlife, but I rarely read any meanings into what I see. > but enjoying them for defying the expectations I don't get that pleasure. Even though I do enjoy some freaky movies! For me good surprise breaks and makes its own logical consistency. I want either sense or nonsense: a half-mixture just annoys me.

saghm 3y ago

> I have the impression that we are observers suddenly thrust into the dream and we, like a detective, must piece together the puzzle. > ... > I know some people who hate his works for this reason. They want a neatly packaged story that doesn't require them to think. As someone who isn't particularly into his work, this feels like a false dichotomy to me. There's a middle ground between dream-like sequences that are intentionally ambiguous to the point where the directory refuses to elaborate on a single definitive explanation and everything being blatant and obvious to the point where no thinking is required, and I'd argue that trying to figure something out that does have a single definitive explanation but isn't obvious is far more similar to what a detective would need to figure out. This isn't to say that there's anything wrong with anything Lynch does or with the fact that people enjoy his work, but I think it's unfair to dismiss people who don't feel the same way as not wanting to think at all.

DEADMINCE 3y ago

> They want a neatly packaged story that doesn't require them to think. Or they want something with substance, not just dreams-via-film where even the creator doesn't have any answers or a plan. Anyone can fill in the blanks. It's not really 'thinking', IMO.