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> How is that not racism and xenophobia? It is, but it's not "the real pandemic". As it turned out, the real pandemic was the pandemic. The immediately availa

> How is that not racism and xenophobia? It is, but it's not "the real pandemic". As it turned out, the real pandemic was the pandemic. The immediately available silly reaction linked from there is all the articles about how actually the flu was a more real threat, but the one I originally referenced was on social media. > The parts about washing your hands was because they didn't know that the virus was airborne yet. You should assume a respiratory virus is airborne. Western public health people had two big problems; one being they were stuck on the last battle and couldn't ever admit anything was airborne because norovirus, HIV, etc weren't, and the other being that leaders were only capable of saying things that sounded leader-y and social media people were only capable of saying things that sounded progressive, and neither of them were interested in if those things were true. So the leaders went to lying about face masks not being effective because they thought it would reduce panic somehow, and the social media people went to telling people not to be racist. > What were you expecting? That they would magically know exactly what to do for this particular pandemic from day one? Yes, because that's what China, Japan, Korea and Taiwan did, and they were closer to the action. > Do you realise if they did, then it would have been one of those "oh the experts panicked and nothing bad happened" (like previous sars outbreaks). The difference was pretty immediately observable since this one actually did break out and the previous ones didn't.

exe34 3y ago
> As it turned out, the real pandemic was the pandemic. No, it wasn't a pandemic yet. I "knew" it was going to blow up, because I'm a pessimist, I predicted 5 of the last 0 world wars since the 90s. But they were right to say it wasn't a pandemic, because it wasn't one yet. The east Asian countries have been tough on respiratory diseases for a while because they're used to it and they have a more community/society bent than the western world. They are also more willing to be authoritarian especially with public health. But you wouldn't like it if your door was welded shut, and you'd cry like a bitch. > The difference was pretty immediately observable since this one actually did break out and the previous ones didn't. Do you think there might be a reason the others didn't?
- astrange 3y ago
  > But they were right to say it wasn't a pandemic, because it wasn't one yet. It was in China. You could see it. > The east Asian countries have been tough on respiratory diseases for a while because they're used to it Only two of them. Japan and Korea weren't - Japanese people wear face masks mostly because of pollen allergies. > and they have a more community/society bent than the western world. I listed four completely different countries. (Also, IME Japanese people are actually more individualistic than Americans. Though they pretend they aren't.) > They are also more willing to be authoritarian especially with public health. Japan's policies involved no such thing, in fact they have fewer legal powers than US public health officers do and explicitly said this was the reason they didn't do several things we did. Nevertheless, they were both successful and reversed policies a lot less often than we did. It mostly involved discouraging large crowds indoors ("C3") but not what you'd call "lockdown". > Do you think there might be a reason the others didn't? We don't need to construct a cause, since you do that to predict an outcome, but we could already observe different outcomes from the different growth rate.

exe34 3y ago

> As it turned out, the real pandemic was the pandemic. No, it wasn't a pandemic yet. I "knew" it was going to blow up, because I'm a pessimist, I predicted 5 of the last 0 world wars since the 90s. But they were right to say it wasn't a pandemic, because it wasn't one yet. The east Asian countries have been tough on respiratory diseases for a while because they're used to it and they have a more community/society bent than the western world. They are also more willing to be authoritarian especially with public health. But you wouldn't like it if your door was welded shut, and you'd cry like a bitch. > The difference was pretty immediately observable since this one actually did break out and the previous ones didn't. Do you think there might be a reason the others didn't?

astrange 3y ago
> But they were right to say it wasn't a pandemic, because it wasn't one yet. It was in China. You could see it. > The east Asian countries have been tough on respiratory diseases for a while because they're used to it Only two of them. Japan and Korea weren't - Japanese people wear face masks mostly because of pollen allergies. > and they have a more community/society bent than the western world. I listed four completely different countries. (Also, IME Japanese people are actually more individualistic than Americans. Though they pretend they aren't.) > They are also more willing to be authoritarian especially with public health. Japan's policies involved no such thing, in fact they have fewer legal powers than US public health officers do and explicitly said this was the reason they didn't do several things we did. Nevertheless, they were both successful and reversed policies a lot less often than we did. It mostly involved discouraging large crowds indoors ("C3") but not what you'd call "lockdown". > Do you think there might be a reason the others didn't? We don't need to construct a cause, since you do that to predict an outcome, but we could already observe different outcomes from the different growth rate.