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I tried switching back to Firefox to take advantage of their multi account containers, but there were a couple of UX things that kept me from sticking with it:

by hysan 3y ago

I tried switching back to Firefox to take advantage of their multi account containers, but there were a couple of UX things that kept me from sticking with it: - still no way to remap Ctrl+T to open a new tab in the current container context - lack of native tab grouping, meaning that it works with plugins like OneTab - vertical tabs that play nicely (meaning integrates nicely so that the UX feels good) with some sort of separation feature, for example, tab groups, workspaces, profiles, etc. Leaving this up to extensions seems to lead to a suboptimal experience here. Very willing to try suggestions as I’ve spent days testing every other browser to compare (Chrome, Edge, Brave, Vivaldi, Arc, Floorp, Orion, etc) with Safari being my current default. Surprisingly, Edge has the nicest vertical tab implementation so far.

morsch 3y ago
Have you tried the Sidebery vertical tabs extension for Firefox? https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery
- squigz 3y ago
  Sidebery comes up a lot, but I've been using Tree Style Tab [0] for many years without issue. Does Sidebery offer anything TST doesn't? https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab
  - HelloMcFly 3y ago
    Sidebery has a form of Tab Groups called panels (see: https://imgur.com/Za9lwej https://imgur.com/Za9lwej) that are built into the functionality. I also have just found Sidebery to work a little better than any of the alternatives. But they're not too far apart.
    - squigz 3y ago
      TST is a hierarchy as well, so you can have children, and you can create groups (folders) too (Not trying to crap on Sidebery at all; just checking the differences :) Edit: Oh, are you referring to those icons at the very top of the tabs? If so, that is sort of neat indeed
  - rraghur 3y ago
    Yes lots... Container integration... So certain urls always open in certain container... Snapshots I moved from tst a few years ago.. Let me get rid of a few more extensions too
- hysan 3y ago
  Yup, tried sideberry, tree style tabs, and simple tab groups since I think there was a Mozilla page they suggested those three. None of them felt as usable as native tab groups in any of the other browsers that support tab groups (or workspaces, profiles, or whatever else their approximate implementation is). Especially in terms of interactions with other tab-related extensions. Part of the problem with having that be a non-native feature.
  - orbital-decay 3y ago
    That's kind of the opposite of my experience. Can't leave Sidebery, it's so well integrated and usable when combined with a couple userchrome.css tweaks that any other browser simply feels subpar to that; not nearly the same attention to detail.
    - hysan 3y ago
      Do you have links to the userchrome tweaks that you use? I hear that mentioned a lot as a way to make sideberry better. IMO, the default for sideberry isn’t good. The few tweaks that weren’t outdated made things a bit better, but nothing really hit the mark. Like I said above, very willing to give suggestions a try. edit: my main worry with relying on userchrome tweaks is things falling out-of-date or abandoned. I saw this a lot in my testing.
      - orbital-decay 3y ago
        I only hide the main tab bar and sidebar header, both tweaks are copied verbatim from [0] (which is linked from the sidebery github readme) and the size of the window buttons block is corrected manually in a var. Yes, tweaks going out of date was also my concern, but they're already a few years old and nothing broke so far. I reckon I could just adapt them if anything breaks, they're easy. [0] https://mrotherguy.github.io/firefox-csshacks/ https://mrotherguy.github.io/firefox-csshacks/
        lproven 3y ago
        FWIW I do the same. It's the first thing I do on new installs of F'fox or Waterfox: 1. Open my email, download my `userchrome.css` file 2. Go to Help | More troubleshooting info | Open my profile folder 3. Make a folder called "chrome" in it. 4. Open my downloads folder. 5. Move the .css file from "Downloads" to "chrome". 6. In F'fox: go to `about.config` and enable legacy stylesheets.
sikhnerd 3y ago
Sideberry extension gives you a lot of what you're looking for. You can have separate tab panels for each container, and a keybinding (ctrl+space by default iirc) that opens a new tab in the current panel and the current container.
- HelloMcFly 3y ago
  Sidebery has been "good enough" for me to transition from Edge back to Firefox, but I wish you could put your Tab Groups into a named folder vs. just having some tabs nested under a "parent tab".
  - emaro 3y ago
    Actually you can: right click on a tab, select "Group" and name it. Edit: in the Sideberry side bar to be clear.
    - HelloMcFly 2y ago
      Thank you!
hawski 3y ago
I don't have a solution for the Ctrl+T issue. I use mainly the default container as with First Party Isolation I don't need to use containers beside some specific use case (multiple accounts), otherwise I put things in containers strictly for the thing like banking. For the latter I would recommend Simple Tab Groups. It also has a sidebar which I like very much. I understand it may not be the thing you are looking for, but there are a lot of things you will not get anywhere. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/simple-tab-groups/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/simple-tab-gr...
clumsysmurf 3y ago
Some other UX things missing: * profile switcher * Safari "Show tab overview"
- hysan 3y ago
  Yup, those would also be great UX improvements. Firefox used to have something like “Show tab overview”. I think it was called Panorama? I might try looking for it to see if it still exists and works. edit: the problem with relying on extensions for all of this is that it’s not cohesive. I found that to be the main problem with Firefox that makes me put it a tier lower than everything else right now.
  - clumsysmurf 3y ago
    Yes, also if you work at a company that locks down the machine its likely you can't install browser extensions.
lionelw 3y ago
>still no way to remap Ctrl+T to open a new tab in the current container context A quick search found me this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/new-container-tab https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/new-container..., using Alt+C. There are other similar addons too. I'll assume given the solution was pretty easy to find, your issue must be with the inability to repurpose Ctrl+T...

by hysan 3y ago

morsch 3y ago

Have you tried the Sidebery vertical tabs extension for Firefox? https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery

squigz 3y ago
Sidebery comes up a lot, but I've been using Tree Style Tab [0] for many years without issue. Does Sidebery offer anything TST doesn't? https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab
- HelloMcFly 3y ago
  Sidebery has a form of Tab Groups called panels (see: https://imgur.com/Za9lwej https://imgur.com/Za9lwej) that are built into the functionality. I also have just found Sidebery to work a little better than any of the alternatives. But they're not too far apart.
  - squigz 3y ago
    TST is a hierarchy as well, so you can have children, and you can create groups (folders) too (Not trying to crap on Sidebery at all; just checking the differences :) Edit: Oh, are you referring to those icons at the very top of the tabs? If so, that is sort of neat indeed
- rraghur 3y ago
  Yes lots... Container integration... So certain urls always open in certain container... Snapshots I moved from tst a few years ago.. Let me get rid of a few more extensions too
hysan 3y ago
Yup, tried sideberry, tree style tabs, and simple tab groups since I think there was a Mozilla page they suggested those three. None of them felt as usable as native tab groups in any of the other browsers that support tab groups (or workspaces, profiles, or whatever else their approximate implementation is). Especially in terms of interactions with other tab-related extensions. Part of the problem with having that be a non-native feature.
- orbital-decay 3y ago
  That's kind of the opposite of my experience. Can't leave Sidebery, it's so well integrated and usable when combined with a couple userchrome.css tweaks that any other browser simply feels subpar to that; not nearly the same attention to detail.
  - hysan 3y ago
    Do you have links to the userchrome tweaks that you use? I hear that mentioned a lot as a way to make sideberry better. IMO, the default for sideberry isn’t good. The few tweaks that weren’t outdated made things a bit better, but nothing really hit the mark. Like I said above, very willing to give suggestions a try. edit: my main worry with relying on userchrome tweaks is things falling out-of-date or abandoned. I saw this a lot in my testing.
    - orbital-decay 3y ago
      I only hide the main tab bar and sidebar header, both tweaks are copied verbatim from [0] (which is linked from the sidebery github readme) and the size of the window buttons block is corrected manually in a var. Yes, tweaks going out of date was also my concern, but they're already a few years old and nothing broke so far. I reckon I could just adapt them if anything breaks, they're easy. [0] https://mrotherguy.github.io/firefox-csshacks/ https://mrotherguy.github.io/firefox-csshacks/
      - lproven 3y ago
        FWIW I do the same. It's the first thing I do on new installs of F'fox or Waterfox: 1. Open my email, download my `userchrome.css` file 2. Go to Help | More troubleshooting info | Open my profile folder 3. Make a folder called "chrome" in it. 4. Open my downloads folder. 5. Move the .css file from "Downloads" to "chrome". 6. In F'fox: go to `about.config` and enable legacy stylesheets.

sikhnerd 3y ago

Sideberry extension gives you a lot of what you're looking for. You can have separate tab panels for each container, and a keybinding (ctrl+space by default iirc) that opens a new tab in the current panel and the current container.

HelloMcFly 3y ago
Sidebery has been "good enough" for me to transition from Edge back to Firefox, but I wish you could put your Tab Groups into a named folder vs. just having some tabs nested under a "parent tab".
- emaro 3y ago
  Actually you can: right click on a tab, select "Group" and name it. Edit: in the Sideberry side bar to be clear.
  - HelloMcFly 2y ago
    Thank you!

hawski 3y ago

I don't have a solution for the Ctrl+T issue. I use mainly the default container as with First Party Isolation I don't need to use containers beside some specific use case (multiple accounts), otherwise I put things in containers strictly for the thing like banking. For the latter I would recommend Simple Tab Groups. It also has a sidebar which I like very much. I understand it may not be the thing you are looking for, but there are a lot of things you will not get anywhere. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/simple-tab-groups/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/simple-tab-gr...

clumsysmurf 3y ago

Some other UX things missing: * profile switcher * Safari "Show tab overview"

hysan 3y ago
Yup, those would also be great UX improvements. Firefox used to have something like “Show tab overview”. I think it was called Panorama? I might try looking for it to see if it still exists and works. edit: the problem with relying on extensions for all of this is that it’s not cohesive. I found that to be the main problem with Firefox that makes me put it a tier lower than everything else right now.
- clumsysmurf 3y ago
  Yes, also if you work at a company that locks down the machine its likely you can't install browser extensions.

lionelw 3y ago

>still no way to remap Ctrl+T to open a new tab in the current container context A quick search found me this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/new-container-tab https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/new-container..., using Alt+C. There are other similar addons too. I'll assume given the solution was pretty easy to find, your issue must be with the inability to repurpose Ctrl+T...