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How many decades of central planning organ-management failure would you like before concluding the experiment has failed?

hinkley 2y ago
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- PaulHoule 2y ago
  Worst in some ways, best in others.
  - Ma8ee 2y ago
    Best in which ways?
    - itishappy 2y ago
      Medicine. We're really freakin' good at it. We make a lot of drugs, and our quality is high. We invent new drugs. Our doctors rank among the best in the world. We develop new treatments, techniques, and devices. It's access to care that we suck at, and our lifestyles aren't doing us any favors. People generally leave the country due to cost, not an expectation of better care.
- throw10920 2y ago
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snakeyjake 2y ago
It seems to me, based on the article, that the main issue is the profit-seeking ghouls (err.. I mean... "Job Creators") exploiting the government, its limited resources, and faulty regulations-- which are slowly being fixed. There is ample evidence (e.g. the entire rest of the industrialized world vs. the US healthcare system) that decentralized capitalist control of the donor organ system would lead to an exploitative nightmare that would make the current system look like unassailable perfection.
- hinkley 2y ago
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- candiddevmike 2y ago
  Playing devils advocate, that exploitative nightmare already exists elsewhere in the world. If a consenting adult wants to sell a kidney or lung, why shouldn't they be allowed to?
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    > that exploitative nightmare already exists elsewhere Expanding it seems like the wrong approach? > If a consenting adult wants to sell a kidney or lung, why shouldn't they be allowed to? Because it leads to horrific results. Desperate poor people get peanuts and life-long health problems. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/28/desperate-afghans-resort-to-selling-kidneys-to-feed-families https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/28/desperate-afghans-r...
    - avar 2y ago
      “If I don’t sell my kidney, I will be forced to sell my one-year-old daughter.” It's an odd sort of cognitive bias to conclude from this article that the selling of kidneys is the problem. You don't think they should be given the option of selling their kid or their kidney? My takeaway from this article is that the market just isn't developed enough. If they were able to sell their kidneys to richer westerners then they could easily get 10x or 100x as much money. In that part of the world that's easily enough to make the best way to extend your statistical lifetime be to sell your kidney. You'd get access to better healthcare for life, your children could get an education etc.
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        > You don't think they should be given the option of selling their kid or their kidney? I think we can aspire to give our citizens better choices than "sell child or sell kidney", yes.
candiddevmike 2y ago
If you read the article, there isn't really any central planning. It's one of those "regulated monopolies" with only one (private) contractor. These kind of things always end poorly for the customers in my experience... Either go full free market or have it ran by the government.

hinkley 2y ago

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PaulHoule 2y ago
Worst in some ways, best in others.
- Ma8ee 2y ago
  Best in which ways?
  - itishappy 2y ago
    Medicine. We're really freakin' good at it. We make a lot of drugs, and our quality is high. We invent new drugs. Our doctors rank among the best in the world. We develop new treatments, techniques, and devices. It's access to care that we suck at, and our lifestyles aren't doing us any favors. People generally leave the country due to cost, not an expectation of better care.
throw10920 2y ago
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snakeyjake 2y ago

It seems to me, based on the article, that the main issue is the profit-seeking ghouls (err.. I mean... "Job Creators") exploiting the government, its limited resources, and faulty regulations-- which are slowly being fixed. There is ample evidence (e.g. the entire rest of the industrialized world vs. the US healthcare system) that decentralized capitalist control of the donor organ system would lead to an exploitative nightmare that would make the current system look like unassailable perfection.

hinkley 2y ago
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candiddevmike 2y ago
Playing devils advocate, that exploitative nightmare already exists elsewhere in the world. If a consenting adult wants to sell a kidney or lung, why shouldn't they be allowed to?
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  > that exploitative nightmare already exists elsewhere Expanding it seems like the wrong approach? > If a consenting adult wants to sell a kidney or lung, why shouldn't they be allowed to? Because it leads to horrific results. Desperate poor people get peanuts and life-long health problems. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/28/desperate-afghans-resort-to-selling-kidneys-to-feed-families https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/28/desperate-afghans-r...
  - avar 2y ago
    “If I don’t sell my kidney, I will be forced to sell my one-year-old daughter.” It's an odd sort of cognitive bias to conclude from this article that the selling of kidneys is the problem. You don't think they should be given the option of selling their kid or their kidney? My takeaway from this article is that the market just isn't developed enough. If they were able to sell their kidneys to richer westerners then they could easily get 10x or 100x as much money. In that part of the world that's easily enough to make the best way to extend your statistical lifetime be to sell your kidney. You'd get access to better healthcare for life, your children could get an education etc.
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      > You don't think they should be given the option of selling their kid or their kidney? I think we can aspire to give our citizens better choices than "sell child or sell kidney", yes.

candiddevmike 2y ago

If you read the article, there isn't really any central planning. It's one of those "regulated monopolies" with only one (private) contractor. These kind of things always end poorly for the customers in my experience... Either go full free market or have it ran by the government.