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> "CSAM" itself could be read as a dysphemism of CP whose purpose is less to emphasize the heinous nature of the abuse involved Maybe it could be read that way

by Kranar 2y ago

> "CSAM" itself could be read as a dysphemism of CP whose purpose is less to emphasize the heinous nature of the abuse involved Maybe it could be read that way by some, but that's not why the term was adopted and it's not why the term is advocated for by anti-sexual violence organizations. https://inhope.org/EN/articles/child-sexual-abuse-material https://inhope.org/EN/articles/child-sexual-abuse-material https://www.rainn.org/news/what-child-sexual-abuse-material-csam https://www.rainn.org/news/what-child-sexual-abuse-material-... https://www.thorn.org/blog/decoding-the-language-of-child-sexual-exploitation-acronyms-to-know/ https://www.thorn.org/blog/decoding-the-language-of-child-se... As for the fact that making it simulated renders the term meaningless, the entire point of a simulation is that it is not the actual thing that is happening but rather an imitative representation of something that could be real. Presumably the abuse towards a child could be real, and hence it's possible to imitate that abuse in various forms of media. It is that imitation that constitutes the simulation. If you argue that it makes the term meaningless, then you must accept that the simulation of anything is meaningless.

Eisenstein 2y ago
> If you argue that it makes the term meaningless, then you must accept that the simulation of anything is meaningless. I think that what is being argued. Put 'simulated' in front of any legal term and it becomes meaningless for its legal usage. 'Simulated larceny' is meaningless. 'Simulated murder' is meaningless.
- Kranar 2y ago
  Yeah, good luck simulating a terrorist attack at an airport, or simulating legal tender, or simulating a police officer. There are plenty of laws that make it an offense to perform a simulation. Nitpicking the term simulation as being meaningless, whether in a legal context or otherwise, isn't a particularly noteworthy discussion to have. I think most people understand the meaning of simulated CSAM and can have an opinion on whether it should be legal or illegal without being pedantic about the word "simulated".
  - Eisenstein 2y ago
    CSAM means something specific. It means 'a child was abused, here is evidence'. A simulation of that would be training materials for LEA or forensics teams to practice their craft. You are really stretching here, and it is not 'pedantic' to ask that specific terms have specific meanings especially when it is a legal issue.
    - Kranar 2y ago
      >A simulation of that would be training materials for LEA or forensics teams to practice their craft. You are laughably misinformed on this matter in a way that is quite incomprehensible. You are welcome to refer to the legal definition as per the actual legal text instead of continuing to make rather bizarre claims on a topic where it's clear you know nothing about: https://www.congress.gov/bill/108th-congress/senate-bill/151/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/108th-congress/senate-bill/151... Even without having to refer to the actual text, I am confident most reasonable minded people understand the meaning of the term "simulated" and can take a position on whether it should be legal or not without arguing whether simulation means training materials or whether the term is legally meaningless. The fact that you don't is all I need to know that continuing this conversation with you is entirely pointless.

by Kranar 2y ago

Eisenstein 2y ago

> If you argue that it makes the term meaningless, then you must accept that the simulation of anything is meaningless. I think that what is being argued. Put 'simulated' in front of any legal term and it becomes meaningless for its legal usage. 'Simulated larceny' is meaningless. 'Simulated murder' is meaningless.

Kranar 2y ago
Yeah, good luck simulating a terrorist attack at an airport, or simulating legal tender, or simulating a police officer. There are plenty of laws that make it an offense to perform a simulation. Nitpicking the term simulation as being meaningless, whether in a legal context or otherwise, isn't a particularly noteworthy discussion to have. I think most people understand the meaning of simulated CSAM and can have an opinion on whether it should be legal or illegal without being pedantic about the word "simulated".
- Eisenstein 2y ago
  CSAM means something specific. It means 'a child was abused, here is evidence'. A simulation of that would be training materials for LEA or forensics teams to practice their craft. You are really stretching here, and it is not 'pedantic' to ask that specific terms have specific meanings especially when it is a legal issue.
  - Kranar 2y ago
    >A simulation of that would be training materials for LEA or forensics teams to practice their craft. You are laughably misinformed on this matter in a way that is quite incomprehensible. You are welcome to refer to the legal definition as per the actual legal text instead of continuing to make rather bizarre claims on a topic where it's clear you know nothing about: https://www.congress.gov/bill/108th-congress/senate-bill/151/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/108th-congress/senate-bill/151... Even without having to refer to the actual text, I am confident most reasonable minded people understand the meaning of the term "simulated" and can take a position on whether it should be legal or not without arguing whether simulation means training materials or whether the term is legally meaningless. The fact that you don't is all I need to know that continuing this conversation with you is entirely pointless.