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> At this point, how could anyone even contemplate buying from such a scummy company? Sad to say it but Tesla is still miles ahead of the competition in specs

> At this point, how could anyone even contemplate buying from such a scummy company? Sad to say it but Tesla is still miles ahead of the competition in specs (power, torque, speed, range) at the respective pricepoints.

neom 3y ago
I don't drive, and I've not looked for a while, but just from the car stuff I see on YouTube, surly Hyundai are getting pretty close?
- t43562 3y ago
  Yes, Tesla are not streets ahead anymore in range. The infotainment is still widely considered to be best but other manufacturers are improving and do well on other metrics which may balance it up for you. There are also a lot more reasonably priced cars from other manufacturers - depends where you live but there's a lot of choice in Europe/UK now.
master-lincoln 3y ago
But it's far behind in safety, comfort, ergonomics, quality, privacy. So we need to chose what is important to us
- throwaway61024 3y ago
  Tesla is still ahead of it competitors in safety [1][2]. Can you elaborate on what you mean by privacy? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Zoe#Safety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Zoe#Safety [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_3#Safety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_3#Safety
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  - master-lincoln 3y ago
    Maybe referring to safety disadvantages was unfair then, thx. I just had the Cybertruck Finger 'Guillotine' in mind. And the cases of things slipping under the accelerator pedal, blocking it and causing safety issues. For privacy I had this report in mind where Tesla workers shared private images recorded by a customer car[0] [0] https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sens...
brtkdotse 3y ago
> power, torque, speed Unless you’re planning on driving on a course, or being an asshole in traffic, these matter a lot less than people think in day-to-day driving
- cjk2 3y ago
  Yeah this. Which is why I sold my turd and bought a shit city car.
KaiserPro 3y ago
The only thing its really ahead on still is miles per kwh, even then its kinda not true. (My renault zoe does 4.8 miles per kwhr, if its warm) Power, Torque, speed and range have all been bested by other manufacturers, who've also manage to make the bodywork line up properly. At the moment the only thing that tesla do better than anyone else still is: Being shits to staff, and charging infra.
- stephenitis 3y ago
  I love the power, torque, speed, and safety of the Tesla, I'm happy to trust it with the lives of my family over a Toyota. What else can compare at the same price point? + charging network + software feature. And the dealership free sales process. Not a fan of Elon's politics. Are the other car manufactures more moral than Tesla? it seems like Tesla is a news magnet. I hate to say it but I'm still a fan of the car, and experience so far in my first year of ownership, 23' model y performance. TBC
kelnos 3y ago
With the exception of range, those specs generally don't matter unless you bring your car to the track. Well, ok, they matter if you like to find ways to drive more aggressively and unsafely.
brnt 3y ago
> power, torque, speed, People still care about that?
- mschuster91 3y ago
  I'm German, we have Autobahns where you have two choices, either a sustainable speed of 120 km/h and more on long range, or you waste your time stuck behind 80km/h trucks.
  - brnt 3y ago
    I thought it was 3, the left lane was 160+? ;) More seriously, what car can't do 130km/h sustained? Range, sure, that's important on electric cars, but the rest? It's been a loooooong time since I heard people really care about that. This isn't the 70ies, where you were sailing the road in your 2CV and hoping for tailwinds.

neom 3y ago

I don't drive, and I've not looked for a while, but just from the car stuff I see on YouTube, surly Hyundai are getting pretty close?

t43562 3y ago
Yes, Tesla are not streets ahead anymore in range. The infotainment is still widely considered to be best but other manufacturers are improving and do well on other metrics which may balance it up for you. There are also a lot more reasonably priced cars from other manufacturers - depends where you live but there's a lot of choice in Europe/UK now.

master-lincoln 3y ago

But it's far behind in safety, comfort, ergonomics, quality, privacy. So we need to chose what is important to us

throwaway61024 3y ago
Tesla is still ahead of it competitors in safety [1][2]. Can you elaborate on what you mean by privacy? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Zoe#Safety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Zoe#Safety [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_3#Safety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_3#Safety
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- master-lincoln 3y ago
  Maybe referring to safety disadvantages was unfair then, thx. I just had the Cybertruck Finger 'Guillotine' in mind. And the cases of things slipping under the accelerator pedal, blocking it and causing safety issues. For privacy I had this report in mind where Tesla workers shared private images recorded by a customer car[0] [0] https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sens...

brtkdotse 3y ago

> power, torque, speed Unless you’re planning on driving on a course, or being an asshole in traffic, these matter a lot less than people think in day-to-day driving

cjk2 3y ago
Yeah this. Which is why I sold my turd and bought a shit city car.

KaiserPro 3y ago

The only thing its really ahead on still is miles per kwh, even then its kinda not true. (My renault zoe does 4.8 miles per kwhr, if its warm) Power, Torque, speed and range have all been bested by other manufacturers, who've also manage to make the bodywork line up properly. At the moment the only thing that tesla do better than anyone else still is: Being shits to staff, and charging infra.

stephenitis 3y ago
I love the power, torque, speed, and safety of the Tesla, I'm happy to trust it with the lives of my family over a Toyota. What else can compare at the same price point? + charging network + software feature. And the dealership free sales process. Not a fan of Elon's politics. Are the other car manufactures more moral than Tesla? it seems like Tesla is a news magnet. I hate to say it but I'm still a fan of the car, and experience so far in my first year of ownership, 23' model y performance. TBC

kelnos 3y ago

With the exception of range, those specs generally don't matter unless you bring your car to the track. Well, ok, they matter if you like to find ways to drive more aggressively and unsafely.

brnt 3y ago

> power, torque, speed, People still care about that?

mschuster91 3y ago
I'm German, we have Autobahns where you have two choices, either a sustainable speed of 120 km/h and more on long range, or you waste your time stuck behind 80km/h trucks.
- brnt 3y ago
  I thought it was 3, the left lane was 160+? ;) More seriously, what car can't do 130km/h sustained? Range, sure, that's important on electric cars, but the rest? It's been a loooooong time since I heard people really care about that. This isn't the 70ies, where you were sailing the road in your 2CV and hoping for tailwinds.