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I made this comment the other day. Sounds like it still applies. Tesla are car Boeing.

by cjk2 3y ago

the-lazy-guy 3y ago
This does not sound as bad as you want it to. Last time I checked, Boeing was responsible roughly for the half of all flights worldwide and fligths are 3 orders of magnitude safer than car trips.
- TaylorAlexander 3y ago
  The real question is how does their safety stack up against other companies in the field today? Sure you’re probably not going to die on a Boeing but would you rather fly Boeing or Airbus?
  - cjk2 3y ago
    It's a good question but it's as much airline as the aircraft. Personally I don't fly Boeing because I don't want them getting business. But I will pick an airline that doesn't have a crap safety and maintenance record on top of that.
- cjk2 3y ago
  That's not the metric I am comparing. I am comparing safety culture. A bad safety culture has the propensity to do serious harm to people and should be called out. When a business, read Boeing/Tesla/Toyota, cover up safety claims they can no longer be trusted with any decision where your safety is considered. That applies to being the victim of a safety outcome as well i.e. you do not own the product but it hurts you in some way. FAA grounded entire Boeing types. There is not that oversight in the commercial car industry.
  - philistine 3y ago
    The whole Toyota episode with the phantom acceleration does not equate with a bad company culture. The problem was too complex and complicated for the company to grok, and they had unbelievably bad PR. I mean, most of the Toyota incidents are of people in a new car, who messed up pedals. It happens, do not discard it!
- throaway893 3y ago
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kylehotchkiss 3y ago
That’s not fair to Boeing. They have models (787) with zero hull losses.
- cjk2 3y ago
  But they do have seat, icing, instrument failure issues which the FAA are looking into now. This is about safety, not body count. Safety comes up front.
- chakintosh 3y ago
  Yeah and Boeing also has FSD that's been there for decades.
- TheCleric 3y ago
  Yeah but I'd say that's more luck than ability at this point though.
  - banish-m4 2y ago
    Yep. Recall how many 787 assemblers and managers admit even they wouldn't fly on them.
dzhiurgis 3y ago
You literally know nothing about either companies

I made this comment the other day. Sounds like it still applies. Tesla are car Boeing.

by cjk2 3y ago

I made this comment the other day. Sounds like it still applies. Tesla are car Boeing.

This does not sound as bad as you want it to. Last time I checked, Boeing was responsible roughly for the half of all flights worldwide and fligths are 3 orders of magnitude safer than car trips.

TaylorAlexander 3y ago
The real question is how does their safety stack up against other companies in the field today? Sure you’re probably not going to die on a Boeing but would you rather fly Boeing or Airbus?
- cjk2 3y ago
  It's a good question but it's as much airline as the aircraft. Personally I don't fly Boeing because I don't want them getting business. But I will pick an airline that doesn't have a crap safety and maintenance record on top of that.
cjk2 3y ago
That's not the metric I am comparing. I am comparing safety culture. A bad safety culture has the propensity to do serious harm to people and should be called out. When a business, read Boeing/Tesla/Toyota, cover up safety claims they can no longer be trusted with any decision where your safety is considered. That applies to being the victim of a safety outcome as well i.e. you do not own the product but it hurts you in some way. FAA grounded entire Boeing types. There is not that oversight in the commercial car industry.
- philistine 3y ago
  The whole Toyota episode with the phantom acceleration does not equate with a bad company culture. The problem was too complex and complicated for the company to grok, and they had unbelievably bad PR. I mean, most of the Toyota incidents are of people in a new car, who messed up pedals. It happens, do not discard it!
throaway893 3y ago
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kylehotchkiss 3y ago

That’s not fair to Boeing. They have models (787) with zero hull losses.

cjk2 3y ago
But they do have seat, icing, instrument failure issues which the FAA are looking into now. This is about safety, not body count. Safety comes up front.
chakintosh 3y ago
Yeah and Boeing also has FSD that's been there for decades.
TheCleric 3y ago
Yeah but I'd say that's more luck than ability at this point though.
- banish-m4 2y ago
  Yep. Recall how many 787 assemblers and managers admit even they wouldn't fly on them.

dzhiurgis 3y ago

You literally know nothing about either companies