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Reportedly, Tesla is having a big issue with their accelerator pedal right now. The thin metal cover of that pedal is not always thoroughly secured and slides

Reportedly, Tesla is having a big issue with their accelerator pedal right now. The thin metal cover of that pedal is not always thoroughly secured and slides off easily, wedging itself into the carpet behind the pedal. This causes the accelerator to be stuck (at high velocity!). https://insideevs.com/news/716031/tesla-cybertruck-stuck-accelerator-pedal/ https://insideevs.com/news/716031/tesla-cybertruck-stuck-acc... As a Tesla customer, you are part of the QA team. That's what you get when they make the employees of that company to afraid to speak up and report serious issues.

KingOfCoders 3y ago
"As a Tesla customer, you are part of the QA team." More like a stunt team.
- deleted 3y ago
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- chakintosh 3y ago
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- FerretFred 3y ago
  Cheaper than a real QA team and Tesla can ignore you if you come up with something inconvenient.
rob74 3y ago
In a petrol engine car you could react by shifting out of gear and flooring the brake pedal (and the clutch pedal if you have one). But what do you do in an electric car? Teslas do have a neutral gear, but it's more and more hidden with every new car generation (according to https://www.notateslaapp.com/tesla-reference/598/how-to-put-a-tesla-in-neutral https://www.notateslaapp.com/tesla-reference/598/how-to-put-..., for some newer models it's only available via the touchscreen). So you have to hope that the brake pedal will override the gas pedal?
- PinguTS 3y ago
  They have a brake pedal too, like every car. The brake pedal should override the acceleration like in any ICE car. So, technically I don't see any problem.
  - close04 3y ago
    > So, technically I don't see any problem If the accelerator getting stuck on a car isn't "technically" a problem then what is? It's a ~3000kg/7000lbs vehicle with 14000Nm/10000lbft of torque and 850HP motor. Whatever your driving style, the expectation is that the car won't accelerate uncontrolled. You may be able to press the brake but then again those extra few fractions of second could make the difference between life and death for someone. "Technically not a problem" is the peak of apologism in such a dangerous situation.
    - PinguTS 3y ago
      The thing is, as I understand it is not like with the Toyota case that the acceleration is unexpected. In the Toyota case it was unexpected because of a software glitch. Actually, it was never really proven that it was an actual software glitch. Michael Barr just has proven that the complete software was a mess without really looking into that detail. Here with the Tesla it is, that when you currently pressing the pedal the top can come off. Then when you don't want to press the pedal anymore, it gets stuck. So that is the moment when your reflex normally is to press the other pedal.
      - close04 3y ago
        > when you currently pressing the pedal the top can come off. Then when you don't want to press the pedal anymore, it gets stuck That is still very dangerous. Tesla stopped deliveries because it's a big deal. In some cases you could have literally an arm's length to stop before you kill someone (like just as you back out of a driveway) and the car accelerating even half a second more than you wanted is too much. I cannot stress enough, this car has high power and extreme torque. It goes from 0-60mph in 2.6s. Even under normal acceleration it will eat quite a bit of extra distance while you react to press the brake. One pedal driving would have braked the moment you took your foot off the accelerator. Normal driving would have at least stopped accelerating. The reason a lot of Tesla drivers were punching through walls and blaming it on the car was because of the stronger than expected acceleration. If that can catch people by surprise, imagine unintended strong acceleration. You are needlessly finding excuses for something very dangerous.
huhtenberg 3y ago
Video of the CyberTruck pedal issue - https://www.tiktok.com/@el.chepito1985/video/7357758176504089898 https://www.tiktok.com/@el.chepito1985/video/735775817650408...
- laborcontract 3y ago
  This is horrifying. Some people just don’t have the proprioception to react correctly in a situation like this. I don’t know if I would myself.
mlrtime 3y ago
FWIW many car manufacturers have had almost this exact same problem. Toyota had to recall hundreds of thousands[1] of vehicles for this issue. My '19 rav4 didn't come with floor mats because the dealership didn't want to take the risk. So the question is , how many Toyotas failed before they issued the recall, was in voluntary or forced? 1 https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2011/02/toyota-announces-two-new-recalls-for-accelerator-pedal-safety-amends-floor-mat-recall/index.htm https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2011/02/toyota-anno...
93po 3y ago
Why is this relevant to the posted story?
EasyMark 3y ago
Fail early, fail often, but always fail forward. I didn't think it was supposed to be taken literally...
dzhiurgis 3y ago
> As a Tesla customer, you are part of the QA team. Tesla sells more cars now than BMW or MB. They have least hardware recalls in industry. This issue is on a brand new model thats sold less than 10k vehicles.
- Veserv 3y ago
  Yeah, remember that time they had 120,000 defective suspensions that routinely collapsed causing the wheels to fall off and also result in total loss of control at highway speeds [1]. But at least they covered it up for multiple years so they did not have to issue a recall. Just cover up safety defects and avoid issuing recalls until NHTSA is about to file a case to force you to and you too can minimize the impact of safety defects on your bottom line. [1] https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-musk-steering-suspension/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-mu...

KingOfCoders 3y ago

"As a Tesla customer, you are part of the QA team." More like a stunt team.

deleted 3y ago
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chakintosh 3y ago
[flagged]
FerretFred 3y ago
Cheaper than a real QA team and Tesla can ignore you if you come up with something inconvenient.

rob74 3y ago

In a petrol engine car you could react by shifting out of gear and flooring the brake pedal (and the clutch pedal if you have one). But what do you do in an electric car? Teslas do have a neutral gear, but it's more and more hidden with every new car generation (according to https://www.notateslaapp.com/tesla-reference/598/how-to-put-a-tesla-in-neutral https://www.notateslaapp.com/tesla-reference/598/how-to-put-..., for some newer models it's only available via the touchscreen). So you have to hope that the brake pedal will override the gas pedal?

PinguTS 3y ago
They have a brake pedal too, like every car. The brake pedal should override the acceleration like in any ICE car. So, technically I don't see any problem.
- close04 3y ago
  > So, technically I don't see any problem If the accelerator getting stuck on a car isn't "technically" a problem then what is? It's a ~3000kg/7000lbs vehicle with 14000Nm/10000lbft of torque and 850HP motor. Whatever your driving style, the expectation is that the car won't accelerate uncontrolled. You may be able to press the brake but then again those extra few fractions of second could make the difference between life and death for someone. "Technically not a problem" is the peak of apologism in such a dangerous situation.
  - PinguTS 3y ago
    The thing is, as I understand it is not like with the Toyota case that the acceleration is unexpected. In the Toyota case it was unexpected because of a software glitch. Actually, it was never really proven that it was an actual software glitch. Michael Barr just has proven that the complete software was a mess without really looking into that detail. Here with the Tesla it is, that when you currently pressing the pedal the top can come off. Then when you don't want to press the pedal anymore, it gets stuck. So that is the moment when your reflex normally is to press the other pedal.
    - close04 3y ago
      > when you currently pressing the pedal the top can come off. Then when you don't want to press the pedal anymore, it gets stuck That is still very dangerous. Tesla stopped deliveries because it's a big deal. In some cases you could have literally an arm's length to stop before you kill someone (like just as you back out of a driveway) and the car accelerating even half a second more than you wanted is too much. I cannot stress enough, this car has high power and extreme torque. It goes from 0-60mph in 2.6s. Even under normal acceleration it will eat quite a bit of extra distance while you react to press the brake. One pedal driving would have braked the moment you took your foot off the accelerator. Normal driving would have at least stopped accelerating. The reason a lot of Tesla drivers were punching through walls and blaming it on the car was because of the stronger than expected acceleration. If that can catch people by surprise, imagine unintended strong acceleration. You are needlessly finding excuses for something very dangerous.

huhtenberg 3y ago

Video of the CyberTruck pedal issue - https://www.tiktok.com/@el.chepito1985/video/7357758176504089898 https://www.tiktok.com/@el.chepito1985/video/735775817650408...

laborcontract 3y ago
This is horrifying. Some people just don’t have the proprioception to react correctly in a situation like this. I don’t know if I would myself.

mlrtime 3y ago

FWIW many car manufacturers have had almost this exact same problem. Toyota had to recall hundreds of thousands[1] of vehicles for this issue. My '19 rav4 didn't come with floor mats because the dealership didn't want to take the risk. So the question is , how many Toyotas failed before they issued the recall, was in voluntary or forced? 1 https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2011/02/toyota-announces-two-new-recalls-for-accelerator-pedal-safety-amends-floor-mat-recall/index.htm https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2011/02/toyota-anno...

93po 3y ago

Why is this relevant to the posted story?

EasyMark 3y ago

Fail early, fail often, but always fail forward. I didn't think it was supposed to be taken literally...

dzhiurgis 3y ago

> As a Tesla customer, you are part of the QA team. Tesla sells more cars now than BMW or MB. They have least hardware recalls in industry. This issue is on a brand new model thats sold less than 10k vehicles.

Veserv 3y ago
Yeah, remember that time they had 120,000 defective suspensions that routinely collapsed causing the wheels to fall off and also result in total loss of control at highway speeds [1]. But at least they covered it up for multiple years so they did not have to issue a recall. Just cover up safety defects and avoid issuing recalls until NHTSA is about to file a case to force you to and you too can minimize the impact of safety defects on your bottom line. [1] https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-musk-steering-suspension/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-mu...