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No epidemiologists were going around saying "eh it could never happen". In fact, many of them were warning after SARS. Trump actually took apart Obama's virus d

No epidemiologists were going around saying "eh it could never happen". In fact, many of them were warning after SARS. Trump actually took apart Obama's virus disaster-readiness warehouses and other programs in 2018-2019. Very bad timing, many such cases! I would suspect the majority of disaster-related experts are not going to be so laid back.

astrange 3y ago
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- exe34 3y ago
  Do you have a screenshot or copy of such a video?
  - vincnetas 3y ago
    Even if he has one. What is the credibility of "public health influencer". I could announce that i'm that kind of influencer and record you whatever video that generates engagement no mater the facts.
    - exe34 3y ago
      Well it's different if he means Fauci, or some guy in his mom's basement. But yes, I do believe he was speaking from the wrong end, as Seneca might say.
  - astrange 3y ago
    Keeping screenshots of that would be a weird hobby. I was thinking of tweets mostly. Here's the timeline of misguided Vox articles. https://www.vox.com/2020/2/7/21126758/coronavirus-xenophobia-racism-china-asians https://www.vox.com/2020/2/7/21126758/coronavirus-xenophobia... - early "the real pandemic is racism" stuff (note this is hard to find because the phrase was later totally overwritten by George Floyd/BLM protests) https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/2/13/21128209/coronavirus-fears-contagion-how-infection-spreads https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/2/13/21128209/coronavirus-fe... - people in Silicon Valley care too much There's some references to Berkeley health officers posting the kind of thing I mean, but they deleted it. Soon after, of course, everyone would switch to "it's real and it's here" and instead start giving out irrelevant health advice about handwashing because the CDC was biased towards treating everything like a food poisoning case. https://www.vox.com/2020/2/28/21157769/how-to-prevent-the-coronavirus https://www.vox.com/2020/2/28/21157769/how-to-prevent-the-co...
    - exe34 3y ago
      From your first article above: "At a middle school a few blocks from my house, a rumor circulated among the children that all Asian kids have the coronavirus and should be quarantined.” How is that not racism and xenophobia? The parts about washing your hands was because they didn't know that the virus was airborne yet. They were giving out reasonable recommendations while waiting for more information. What were you expecting? That they would magically know exactly what to do for this particular pandemic from day one? Do you realise if they did, then it would have been one of those "oh the experts panicked and nothing bad happened" (like previous sars outbreaks). There's inherent asymmetry in the possible outcomes.
      - astrange 3y ago
        > How is that not racism and xenophobia? It is, but it's not "the real pandemic". As it turned out, the real pandemic was the pandemic. The immediately available silly reaction linked from there is all the articles about how actually the flu was a more real threat, but the one I originally referenced was on social media. > The parts about washing your hands was because they didn't know that the virus was airborne yet. You should assume a respiratory virus is airborne. Western public health people had two big problems; one being they were stuck on the last battle and couldn't ever admit anything was airborne because norovirus, HIV, etc weren't, and the other being that leaders were only capable of saying things that sounded leader-y and social media people were only capable of saying things that sounded progressive, and neither of them were interested in if those things were true. So the leaders went to lying about face masks not being effective because they thought it would reduce panic somehow, and the social media people went to telling people not to be racist. > What were you expecting? That they would magically know exactly what to do for this particular pandemic from day one? Yes, because that's what China, Japan, Korea and Taiwan did, and they were closer to the action. > Do you realise if they did, then it would have been one of those "oh the experts panicked and nothing bad happened" (like previous sars outbreaks). The difference was pretty immediately observable since this one actually did break out and the previous ones didn't.
        exe34 3y ago
- sofixa 3y ago
  What the hell is a "public health influencer"?
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - astrange 3y ago
    An epidemiologist with a Twitter account. Secondarily anyone else with a doctorate and a Twitter account; a lot of doctors started popular alarmist accounts and then you'd find out they were doctors of something completely unrelated.
nextaccountic 3y ago
Yeah but couldn't seismologists just never say anything about the matter?

astrange 3y ago

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exe34 3y ago
Do you have a screenshot or copy of such a video?
- vincnetas 3y ago
  Even if he has one. What is the credibility of "public health influencer". I could announce that i'm that kind of influencer and record you whatever video that generates engagement no mater the facts.
  - exe34 3y ago
    Well it's different if he means Fauci, or some guy in his mom's basement. But yes, I do believe he was speaking from the wrong end, as Seneca might say.
- astrange 3y ago
  Keeping screenshots of that would be a weird hobby. I was thinking of tweets mostly. Here's the timeline of misguided Vox articles. https://www.vox.com/2020/2/7/21126758/coronavirus-xenophobia-racism-china-asians https://www.vox.com/2020/2/7/21126758/coronavirus-xenophobia... - early "the real pandemic is racism" stuff (note this is hard to find because the phrase was later totally overwritten by George Floyd/BLM protests) https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/2/13/21128209/coronavirus-fears-contagion-how-infection-spreads https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/2/13/21128209/coronavirus-fe... - people in Silicon Valley care too much There's some references to Berkeley health officers posting the kind of thing I mean, but they deleted it. Soon after, of course, everyone would switch to "it's real and it's here" and instead start giving out irrelevant health advice about handwashing because the CDC was biased towards treating everything like a food poisoning case. https://www.vox.com/2020/2/28/21157769/how-to-prevent-the-coronavirus https://www.vox.com/2020/2/28/21157769/how-to-prevent-the-co...
  - exe34 3y ago
    From your first article above: "At a middle school a few blocks from my house, a rumor circulated among the children that all Asian kids have the coronavirus and should be quarantined.” How is that not racism and xenophobia? The parts about washing your hands was because they didn't know that the virus was airborne yet. They were giving out reasonable recommendations while waiting for more information. What were you expecting? That they would magically know exactly what to do for this particular pandemic from day one? Do you realise if they did, then it would have been one of those "oh the experts panicked and nothing bad happened" (like previous sars outbreaks). There's inherent asymmetry in the possible outcomes.
    - astrange 3y ago
      > How is that not racism and xenophobia? It is, but it's not "the real pandemic". As it turned out, the real pandemic was the pandemic. The immediately available silly reaction linked from there is all the articles about how actually the flu was a more real threat, but the one I originally referenced was on social media. > The parts about washing your hands was because they didn't know that the virus was airborne yet. You should assume a respiratory virus is airborne. Western public health people had two big problems; one being they were stuck on the last battle and couldn't ever admit anything was airborne because norovirus, HIV, etc weren't, and the other being that leaders were only capable of saying things that sounded leader-y and social media people were only capable of saying things that sounded progressive, and neither of them were interested in if those things were true. So the leaders went to lying about face masks not being effective because they thought it would reduce panic somehow, and the social media people went to telling people not to be racist. > What were you expecting? That they would magically know exactly what to do for this particular pandemic from day one? Yes, because that's what China, Japan, Korea and Taiwan did, and they were closer to the action. > Do you realise if they did, then it would have been one of those "oh the experts panicked and nothing bad happened" (like previous sars outbreaks). The difference was pretty immediately observable since this one actually did break out and the previous ones didn't.
      - exe34 3y ago
sofixa 3y ago
What the hell is a "public health influencer"?
- deleted 3y ago
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- astrange 3y ago
  An epidemiologist with a Twitter account. Secondarily anyone else with a doctorate and a Twitter account; a lot of doctors started popular alarmist accounts and then you'd find out they were doctors of something completely unrelated.

nextaccountic 3y ago

Yeah but couldn't seismologists just never say anything about the matter?