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That's interesting. Where is Lisp used at Google? I vaguely recall reading long ago that Google had some kind of policy against using Lisp or Smalltalk for proj

by tivert 3y ago

That's interesting. Where is Lisp used at Google? I vaguely recall reading long ago that Google had some kind of policy against using Lisp or Smalltalk for projects, but I can't find the article I am thinking of [1]. [1] I'm not 100% sure, but it was probably some kind of article about "programming languages used by Google in production." I recall it talking about how C and Python were approved, as well as Java (~"because there are a lot of good programmers who write Java"). Lisp and Smalltalk were explicitly banned, mainly because engineers so frequently proposed using them because of their appeal, despite the supportability issues w.r.t. skillsets.

mrcode007 3y ago
Flight search
cageface 3y ago
It’s from the ITA software acquisition that became Google flights. https://franz.com/success/customer_apps/data_mining/itastory.lhtml https://franz.com/success/customer_apps/data_mining/itastory...
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znpy 3y ago
Honest question: is there any meaningful open source software writt In small talk (any implementation) ?
- PeterStuer 3y ago
  Mediagenix's "What's On" ( https://www.mediagenix.tv/whats-on/ https://www.mediagenix.tv/whats-on/ ) is written in Small-talk. The main reason is the company's ancestry had strong academic roots, but it worked for them. It's not Open Source, but since there aren't that many successful commercial Small-talk products in the wild I thought I'd mention.
- __s 3y ago
  https://wiki.c2.com/?WhatsBeenDoneInSmalltalk https://wiki.c2.com/?WhatsBeenDoneInSmalltalk https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7nm8u/comment/b50l https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7nm8u/comment/... Over time I expect systems died or migrated away from Smalltalk
- cess11 3y ago
  Pharo would be the practical one, Squeak the less industrial one. Lots of stuff has been implemented with both, enough that you could run a consultancy and build applications for people. You'd need to be a bit of a Smalltalk nerd though, and be prepared to do most of the work yourself since there aren't that many smalltalkers to recruit from. You'd also be in competition for developers with companies building software for insurance or ERP, and many smalltalkers spent relatively much time in academia so that could affect salary expectations.
  - znpy 3y ago
    > Lots of stuff has been implemented with both Again, like what ?
    - cess11 3y ago
      Roassal, Seaside, Iceberg, Artefact, Pillar.
- igouy 3y ago
  Depends what you mean by "meaningful".
- thequux 3y ago
  Absolute mountains. Consider: Ruby is Smalltalk with alternative syntax and core library. I'm only being a little bit flippant here; the only core language feature in ST that Ruby is missing is thisContext, and most of the things that end developers do with thisContext (continuations, exceptions, and the debugger) are natively supported by the standard library.
- zilti 3y ago
  Glamorous Toolkit
v9v 3y ago
The Google chapter of "Lisping at JPL" (https://flownet.com/gat/jpl-lisp.html https://flownet.com/gat/jpl-lisp.html) may be what you are remembering.
- tivert 3y ago
  > The Google chapter of "Lisping at JPL" (https://flownet.com/gat/jpl-lisp.html https://flownet.com/gat/jpl-lisp.html) may be what you are remembering. That's close, but I think it's reflection of the same policy, not the same article. The article I remember talked about more languages that just Lisp, Smalltalk, and Java. It was overall down on Java, but had positive things to say about some Java programmers.

by tivert 3y ago

mrcode007 3y ago

Flight search

cageface 3y ago

It’s from the ITA software acquisition that became Google flights. https://franz.com/success/customer_apps/data_mining/itastory.lhtml https://franz.com/success/customer_apps/data_mining/itastory...

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znpy 3y ago

Honest question: is there any meaningful open source software writt In small talk (any implementation) ?

PeterStuer 3y ago
Mediagenix's "What's On" ( https://www.mediagenix.tv/whats-on/ https://www.mediagenix.tv/whats-on/ ) is written in Small-talk. The main reason is the company's ancestry had strong academic roots, but it worked for them. It's not Open Source, but since there aren't that many successful commercial Small-talk products in the wild I thought I'd mention.
__s 3y ago
https://wiki.c2.com/?WhatsBeenDoneInSmalltalk https://wiki.c2.com/?WhatsBeenDoneInSmalltalk https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7nm8u/comment/b50l https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7nm8u/comment/... Over time I expect systems died or migrated away from Smalltalk
cess11 3y ago
Pharo would be the practical one, Squeak the less industrial one. Lots of stuff has been implemented with both, enough that you could run a consultancy and build applications for people. You'd need to be a bit of a Smalltalk nerd though, and be prepared to do most of the work yourself since there aren't that many smalltalkers to recruit from. You'd also be in competition for developers with companies building software for insurance or ERP, and many smalltalkers spent relatively much time in academia so that could affect salary expectations.
- znpy 3y ago
  > Lots of stuff has been implemented with both Again, like what ?
  - cess11 3y ago
    Roassal, Seaside, Iceberg, Artefact, Pillar.
igouy 3y ago
Depends what you mean by "meaningful".
thequux 3y ago
Absolute mountains. Consider: Ruby is Smalltalk with alternative syntax and core library. I'm only being a little bit flippant here; the only core language feature in ST that Ruby is missing is thisContext, and most of the things that end developers do with thisContext (continuations, exceptions, and the debugger) are natively supported by the standard library.
zilti 3y ago
Glamorous Toolkit

v9v 3y ago

The Google chapter of "Lisping at JPL" (https://flownet.com/gat/jpl-lisp.html https://flownet.com/gat/jpl-lisp.html) may be what you are remembering.

tivert 3y ago
> The Google chapter of "Lisping at JPL" (https://flownet.com/gat/jpl-lisp.html https://flownet.com/gat/jpl-lisp.html) may be what you are remembering. That's close, but I think it's reflection of the same policy, not the same article. The article I remember talked about more languages that just Lisp, Smalltalk, and Java. It was overall down on Java, but had positive things to say about some Java programmers.