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Sounds like the police trying to influence the boards to me. Police already have power to ruin lives or at least make them seriously inconvenient. A retired co

Sounds like the police trying to influence the boards to me. Police already have power to ruin lives or at least make them seriously inconvenient. A retired cop generally still has friends and/or family that are active cops, and therefore has some influence. Which means folks aren't nearly as free to speak or do their jobs freely. This is true even if you personally don't feel this way around any sort of law enforcement - you know others do.

mcBesse 3y ago
Is the tradeoff with the potential positive influence worth it? Are there ways to mitigate the potential negatives?
- SauciestGNU 3y ago
  What's the potential positive influence here? Genuinely trying to find one. Is it that a cop can tell the board "oh that's no big deal we assault everyone?" Policing isn't hard to understand, if it were there might be some minimum training standards somewhere.
  - BurningFrog 3y ago
    The positive influence is just that a cop understands police work. It seems obvious to me that that's important knowledge for a team tasked with regulating police work. There are plenty of standards. and all cops go through a ~6 month Police Academy before they get the badge. And if you think you know as much about police work as someone who has done it for decades, I don't think we can get much further in this discussion.
    - Free-is-Freedom 3y ago
      The point is that "understanding police work" is irrelevant when you're building a body of neutral observers
Workaccount2 3y ago
As someone who was a reddit junkie who got guilty pleasured by youtube into watching tons of police bodycam videos... People generally have no idea what it like to be a cop and what is and isn't legal. For instance, just about every single person who resists arrest now also yells that they cannot breath. Then the cops ask if they need medical, which of course they say yes, simply to make things more difficult for the police (and waste taxpayer money to have an ambulance come out). In a vacuum it looks bad. But in the context of every single criminal doing the same extreme heel dragging, you start to see what is going on.
- jhardy54 3y ago
  > For instance, just about every single person who resists arrest now also yells that they cannot breath. Then the cops ask if they need medical, which of course they say yes, simply to make things more difficult for the police (and waste taxpayer money to have an ambulance come out). I don’t have any trouble believing that your social media feeds have rage bait videos that follow this pattern, but I’d remind you that the videos recommended to you are unlikely to be representative of reality. Some feeds support narratives like “criminals lie and waste resources” whereas others show “cops lie and hurt people”, and what you see is strongly correlated with what will catch (and maintain) your attention.
  - Workaccount2 3y ago
    The body cam channels aren't really trying to push a narrative. They just take public body cam footage from a handful of locales and upload it with very little production work. It's almost no work and generates (comparatively) a lot of views. The majority of it is pretty mundane, lots of drunk people. I wouldn't compare it to agenda channels that upload heavily edited and cherry picked content with "telling you how to feel" narration. The unedited average police doing average police work content is enough to stand on its own.
    - jamiek88 3y ago
      No, no MY bubble is reality.

mcBesse 3y ago

Is the tradeoff with the potential positive influence worth it? Are there ways to mitigate the potential negatives?

SauciestGNU 3y ago
What's the potential positive influence here? Genuinely trying to find one. Is it that a cop can tell the board "oh that's no big deal we assault everyone?" Policing isn't hard to understand, if it were there might be some minimum training standards somewhere.
- BurningFrog 3y ago
  The positive influence is just that a cop understands police work. It seems obvious to me that that's important knowledge for a team tasked with regulating police work. There are plenty of standards. and all cops go through a ~6 month Police Academy before they get the badge. And if you think you know as much about police work as someone who has done it for decades, I don't think we can get much further in this discussion.
  - Free-is-Freedom 3y ago
    The point is that "understanding police work" is irrelevant when you're building a body of neutral observers

Workaccount2 3y ago

As someone who was a reddit junkie who got guilty pleasured by youtube into watching tons of police bodycam videos... People generally have no idea what it like to be a cop and what is and isn't legal. For instance, just about every single person who resists arrest now also yells that they cannot breath. Then the cops ask if they need medical, which of course they say yes, simply to make things more difficult for the police (and waste taxpayer money to have an ambulance come out). In a vacuum it looks bad. But in the context of every single criminal doing the same extreme heel dragging, you start to see what is going on.

jhardy54 3y ago
> For instance, just about every single person who resists arrest now also yells that they cannot breath. Then the cops ask if they need medical, which of course they say yes, simply to make things more difficult for the police (and waste taxpayer money to have an ambulance come out). I don’t have any trouble believing that your social media feeds have rage bait videos that follow this pattern, but I’d remind you that the videos recommended to you are unlikely to be representative of reality. Some feeds support narratives like “criminals lie and waste resources” whereas others show “cops lie and hurt people”, and what you see is strongly correlated with what will catch (and maintain) your attention.
- Workaccount2 3y ago
  The body cam channels aren't really trying to push a narrative. They just take public body cam footage from a handful of locales and upload it with very little production work. It's almost no work and generates (comparatively) a lot of views. The majority of it is pretty mundane, lots of drunk people. I wouldn't compare it to agenda channels that upload heavily edited and cherry picked content with "telling you how to feel" narration. The unedited average police doing average police work content is enough to stand on its own.
  - jamiek88 3y ago
    No, no MY bubble is reality.